Lloyd Banks & Tony Yayo Talk Eminem
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Two-thirds of G-Unit discuss with MTV Eminem’s success with Recovery. Yayo even goes on to call him the Godfather of Hip-Hop. Bambaataa ain’t gon like that. Ha!
“Eminem is like the godfather of the hip-hop game,” Yayo said. “In a time like this, when records are not selling, he’s the only one that is selling. You know, Drake and all the other ones [did well], but Em did [close to] 800,000 his first week, and he’s #1 for the fifth week. It’s incredible. I think he has a faithful fan base of people who have been following him for years. They’re not going to stop following him and not stop listening to his music. Em said he didn’t like his last album as much as this one. You can hear the difference. I like both of the albums. ‘3 a.m.’ is one of my joints. But Eminem has followers that’s gonna mess with him until the day he dies.”
Mount up Eminem dick riders!
haha fuck the haters 1 of the biggest names in the game has just came out ans said it
EMINEM = G.O.A.T
(oh and 1st !!!!!!!!!!!! lol)
Good !!!
lmao u waznt 1st bitch FAIL!
I love the people who come on Eminem posts and say ‘here come the Eminem dickriders when they are the ones commenting on every thing associated with him…lol
Anyway, I think it’d be great to see a Em & Banks track, especially for The Hunger For More 2.
Looking Forward To Punch Line King Collaboration With Eminem
Fuck Gunit……..they only suckin Ems dick to get attention…………..fuckin faggots they music dont sell shit.
Eminem will always sell records no matter how much yall hate on dude.
yeah fuck g-unit,they sucking em balls and yeah i follow eminem till i die
dam they both cudnt had said it any better
@Oliver Clothes’off
How They Music Don’t Sell, When Lloyd Banks Single “Beamer,Benz Or Bentley”
Was Just Certified Gold By Selling 500,000 Digital Singles Independently.
ROFL@Thos Kids.
My son lloyd banks said i need to get on a record with him lol
Em has a lot of fans/stans including myself
but he puts in a lot of work in his material not like other rappers who care about going gold or platinum
Em really dont care how much he sell he only want his fans to appreciate his music
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING DUDE SAID..TRULY EM SURPASSES ANYTHING HIP HOP IS OFFERING RIGHT NOW
Em is the GOAT.
RAP RADAR STILL ADVERTISING…AFTER 5 WEEKS! LOL WHAT THAT THAT TELL YOU…
This is the same shit I saw on Nahright.
“I think he has a faithful fan base of people who have been following him for years.”
THEY’RE CALLED WHITE PEOPLE.
Best rapper is white…haha…take that monkeys!!
Emperor’s Turf says:
Thursday, July 29 2010 at 4:56 PM EST
@Oliver Clothes’off
How They Music Don’t Sell, When Lloyd Banks Single “Beamer,Benz Or Bentley”
Was Just Certified Gold By Selling 500,000 Digital Singles Independently.
ROFL@Thos Kids.
…………………………………..
So when you talk about greats and who your fav artist is your gonna say faggot ass Llyod banks??GTFOH…………WOW one fuckin song he made sold 500 thou on some fuckin ring tone shit?
All im sayin is when you mention hip hop unless your a brain dead fuckin tight jean wearin scrub, Your gonna mention Marshal.
But fags like you will bring up Banks SMMFH!!!
I cant even remember one banks line, but i can remember about 30 Em lines.
YOUR STICKING UP FOR SOME BUSTER ASS NIGGAS……..STOP!
@ Cock bandit
Not this white people shit again.
Not going to bitch about that, but I will say one thing.
Without white people buying albums these “rappers” would be living in gutters.
As, white people love hip hop and always will love hip hop, from late 70s, early 80s, to now.
You people are so dumb, I swear.
White people love Eminem. You know how many white people I have heard say “Eminem is the only rapper that I listen too”?
White people love Em true, but shit I hate when mufuckaz actin like black people dont fuckz with Em.
Im black, and Em is my favorite rapper. Nobody can touch him bar for bar. NO ONE! just stop all this black/white bullshit..its gettin old
^^ and you knw how many white ppl ive herd say “Fuck Eminem trying to act all black and shit”
And im Mexican and Em is MY Favorite rapper.!
Its sounds like the person interviewin them wants them to say people are buyin his shit cuz he’s white. People do act like only white people fuck wit Em which isnt true but they are the majority that buys his shit I mean look at Encore shit went gold in a week and that shit was hot ass.
lol it wasnt a fail i missed by like a sec
Damn PITRI all this time I thought you were a negroid like me
lol
@Oliver Clothes’off
Lloyd Banks Fans Are Tight Jeans Wearing Fags ? Since When..lol
Blacks should leave rapping to the whites
GODFATHER HE IS!
WE FANS WILL KEEP HIM ON TOP NO MATTER WHAT FOR 6TH WEEK TOO!
FUCK OFF HATERS!
Britney, Christina, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber’s fan bases are white….wonder why they don’t sell as much? Quit that just white people buying his shit excuse. The truth is he appeals to black people because he raps and white people because he’s a WHITE person that raps but BOTH buy his music
so if white people buy it then it doesn’t count? sounds racist when you say theyre opinion isnt worth the same as yours. music is universal.
hhh american ,mexican,latin,european,african,arab,asian all listen to eminem music
not like fat ass cop ross
jay Z the goat so stop with this already. Everyday every post Em the goat get out of here.
@damone I’m sure that Em thinks Jay is the goat too. it’s useless to argue that point with others. It’s all opinion
Wayne Was The Only Last Person To Sell A Milli In The First Week……..
New Orleans Stand The Fuck Up ……. : )
But Eminem has followers that’s gonna mess with him until the day he dies.” – Lloyd Banks
Naw , Them is not followers banks ……
Them Is Call Dick Suckers…….
They Suck His Dick Even If They Get Bad Cum Or Good Cum Or Good Music Or Bad Music.
They Are Called Feminems………
Followers = Feminems
@Word!!! why do you even comment if you are just gonna say that?
Xzibit going hard on this beat you gotta check this video out it’s FIRE!!!! the production work is CRAZY http://tinyurl.com/3xd3fgw
@eminem1 said, “haha fuck the haters 1 of the biggest names in the game has just came out ans said it .”
Not only is this dude FAR from one of the biggest in the game, he basically WORKS FOR EMINEM?!?!? lmao. To say anything other than what he is saying would be career suicide u idiot.
@graffitti bandit said,
“I think he has a faithful fan base of people who have been following him for years.
THEY’RE CALLED WHITE PEOPLE.”
And you would be correct sir. Whites are loyal to their “rap savior” no matter how good or bad he does/is (as represented by their loyalty during his last two albums which EVEN EMINEM ADMITTED WERE BAD), because they will NEVER let go of their FALSE belief that the greatest rapper alive is a white man. Due to their superiority complex (and inferiority complex lol) they somehow feel like if a white man is the best rapper that they all somehow benefit from that?? I’d be a millionaire if i had a nickel for every time the “white person” in the room says “eminem is the best rapper ever” during a hiphop conversation. The FUNNIEST part is the fact that MOST of the time it’s OBVIOUS that the person actually knows basically NOTHING about hiphop as a whole. lol. For the most part Eminem fans are loyal TO THE IDEA of Eminem and not his music. Now of course all of the Stans will go nuts and say black people buy his s**t too, blah blah blah, but its a FACT that the sheer amount of white people in the country DWARFS that of blacks. You could also argue that whites are MUCH more likely to buy music as a whole vs blacks. Not just because we’re cheap but because of the STATISTICAL FACTS that represent our poverty level vs. that of whites. Oh, and I’m not even going to get into the marketing advantage this guy has over everyone else in the history of this ish. Basically, Eminem is NOT the best rapper by far. He is the most SUCCESSFUL SELLING rapper which has absolutely ZERO effect on his status as “the greatest” because of the INSTANT AND COMPLETELY UNFAIR advantage the color of his skin gives him. Go figure. A white man is more likely to succeed in this country than a black man. Who would’ve ever thought? lmao.
FACTS:
-Total U.S. population is 304.1 million
-White Americans are the majority in forty-nine of the fifty states, with Hawaii as the exception.
-12.% of the country’s population is black versus 70% white.
-228.2 million whites versus 37.6 million blacks
The next FACTUAL statistics effects who actually buys albums
-Whites living under poverty is 10.6%
-Blacks living under poverty is 33.9%
*These numbers are ESPECIALLY significant when you consider the fact that even though there are nearly 4 times as many whites in the country, they STILL make up the smallest percentage of the poor. So while there are ALOT less blacks, most of us are still poor. lol. Wow.
Eminem is great. He’s very talented and i like him. What i DONT LIKE is all of you idiots who keep arguing or actually believe that he keeps selling so much because hes just “that good??” lol. I just CLEARLY explained why he always sells so much, EVEN in the face of doing bad albums. Nothing wrong with it. Just acknowledge the truth and stop acting like being white isn’t the reason he sells so much when it is DEFINITELY the reason he sells so much.
p.s.
I think even Eminem has admitted in several of his verses that he knows he sells because he’s white, but his Stans still don’t want to believe it? lmao. smdh.
@YepandNope
Damn u writin a book and shit but besides all ur statistics I do agree to most part that a lot of people do buy his shit cuz he’s white like people who don’t listen to rap will buy his shit. Thats why I said he can throw shit on a disc like he did with Encore and still go gold in a week cuz he has that support.
Yeah Eminem said in “White America” that if he was black he would have only sold half of what he has sold
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eminem the g.r.o.a.t black or white motherfuckers. honkeys sell ha ha….
lmao
you fail man your post was far to long it`s a rap site no1 will read all that keep it short
and banks and Yayo are 2 of the best out it`s only fake mainstream fans who dont like them !!!
and if you like real rap youll know what i meen
and he didnt need to say shit he could have just said em`s dope or he`s on top of his game he didnt need to say all that
I totally agree with YepandNope. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
em is the best alive
Did u say Yayo is one of the best out?
p.p.s.
Other FACTS:
-Vanilla Ice’s album was the fastest selling album of all time!!
– His album sold 11million copies during the SIXTEEN WEEKS it spent on the billboard charts and of course it peaked at NUMBER ONE!!
-Even after he COMPLETELY dissappeared from the mainstream radar, the album has since sold nearly 3 million more copies!
lmao. This only adds to the other SOLID EVIDENCE i gave and proves without a shadow of a doubt that SALES DO NOT REFLECT TALENT LEVEL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE WHITE!!!
lmao.
“Stans and dick riders” Is all they can really say…hahaaha
haters can make like Bees with no sting rays and Drop Dead!!!
Bam…there it is!
Eminem Greatest Of All Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and I’m one of the Loyal followers…
Best Believe that!
Not scared to say it..
but, who’s YOUR Favorite rapper?
gucci mane? soulja boy? wayne? drake? hahaha Get the Fuck Outta Here!!!!!!!!!!!!
@eminem1,
so your argument for my argument is that its too much for you to read? LMFAO. The fact that you just willingly displayed your ignorance to the world, also completely dismisses any and all of your statements here. I mean, i think everybody pretty much already dismissed you after you referred to Banks as “one of the best??” lmfao.
By the way, the commentor RIGHT AFTER you said he agreed with me. I guess there are a handful of people left in the world who can still read ONE PAGE of information? lol. good look Ronnie.
This makes a few things clear about you though @eminem….If you think it’s cool or acceptable to NOT be able to pay attention or read ONE PAGE of writing, then you can’t have made it very far in life right? lol. Have you EVER read ANY books???!?!?!? ANYTHING??!?!?! smdh. This is what the world is coming to i guess.
No one cares if white people buy his shit, we all know that. The only thing that’s retarded is when people say that ONLY whites buy his shit. That’s ridiculous, black people buy his shit, and listen to his shit, i’ve seen tons of them. And, him being white is not the only the reason he sells. Look at Vanilla Ice, or Mc Serch, why didn’t they sell big? They’re both one hit wonders, and they happen to be white.
Hmmmm, maybe because they were horrible at rapping? Basically, you really need to be one hell of a rapper to make it in the game, especially if you’re white.
@YepandNope
it isn’t even about race you stupid Fuck!
I’m not white and I bump Em all day!
stop making excuses…and tryna think that the greatest in ‘black rap’ HAS TO BE black.
go to his videos, concerts, shows, all the fans there are different colors.
Matter a fact, not only in the U.S. but all over the world…
name a rapper who has that big of a fan-base….Alive!????
P.S.
LOL he’s the only one commenting!? hahahaha GET A LIFE!!!!!!!
He’s out making music, living the life, and your here posting comments that are a whole essay long on why he sucks cause he’s white and doesnt make club music.
So who wins there?
@killakill,
Why do you stans always jump from Eminem to “gucci mane? soulja boy? wayne? drake?”
Do you simply think of those guys whenever eminem is mentioned (which explains why you think hes the g.o.a.t. cuz against that list i agree), or are they the only rappers names you know because they get posted on this site or radio play? lol. I know you will say that “there isn’t anyone better” but why don’t u just TRY to name some rappers who are better than eminem? or atleast name some who compete with him in your mind?
If you can’t do it, its NOT because Eminem is that good, is simply because you don’t know what the FUCK you are talking about you fake ass hiphop fan.
@YepandNope
Because most Em haters are from the South…who are in love with Gucci and Wayne and Soulja.
ROTFL!!! @ your ‘stan and dick rider” comments….thats the great thing about reading what haters got to say.
and we’re talkin about Commercial music you stupid muthafucker!!!!!!
and even Underground!! termanology, Freeway, Cassidy, they all agree that Em is the greatest Alive!!!
Em bascially CAME UP from the underground you stupid Dumb Fuck!!!
of course, theres better emcees than Em, there’s better emcees than pac, and Biggie.
The greatest of all time have been beaten.
That still doesnt change the fact that Em is the best alive.
you must mean by lyrics..but, I mean by everything in Music.
Flow, Lyrics, Topics, Energy, “Meaning in the song”, etc.
name a artist that has ALL that!?
Awaiting stupid response from Yep&Nope………
More evidence
-Paulwall is white and doesnt sell shit
-YelaWolf is white and doesnt sell shit
-icp is white and dont sell shit
-Asher Roth is white and doesnt sell shit
LOL That’s what I thought….
do your homework next time you wanna talk shit & hate you fake ass Horny, High School, Fat Cheerleader Haahahaa
Not a hater just feel em doesnt speak on shit and is much like lil wayne….they say clever shit but isnt saying a damn thing……
I still bump BP 1 and 2, along with Ready to Die and All Eyez On Me……..sad but true fuck it
Lmao. I’m sittin at a computer playing in poker tournaments (during which i’ve made about 12.0000 since i started early this morning) and im keeping this page open on the side cuz IM NOT AFRAID TO ADMIT that im interested in what the dumbasses like you are gonna say after i comment. lmfao, needless to say, you didn’t dissapoint! You don’t have a valid argument to counteract my statements and FACTS. Being the simple minded FUCK that you are, the only thing you could do is make a gay ass attack at how much time im spending here?!?! lmfao. And since you wanna say some dumb shit like “He’s out making music, living the life,” well guess what you dipshit? I’m not out “living the life” but i am sitting here and GETTING PAID PLAYING A GAME I LOVE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME MAKING AN ASS OUT OF IGNORANT PIECES OF SHIT like yourself. You on the other hand are probably sitting at the computer googling pictures of Eminem to add the the collage you made of his dick and balls, and you just stumbled across this website.
OF COURSE IT’S ABOUT RACE YOU MOTHAFUCKIN MORON!?!?! AND OF COURSE i know that “blacks buy his shit too,” but the fact that you even made that ignorant ass statement proves one of 3 things:
1.either u didnt read my shit and decided to comment like a jackass anyway.
2.you did read it and your just too fucking stupid to comprehend it.
3.You’re the WORST kind of stan. The kind that BLINDLY sucks ems dick with absolute disregard for any and all PROOF that contradicts whatever it is that u believe about him.
Whoever hates Em, they must Hate him for a reason….
and it’s stupid reasons too, like:
“doesn’t say shit”? WOW…..SMFH
“Isn’t hip-hop”?
WOW….name another artist who can freestyle, has flow, lyrics and energy in their songs.
Please……..I’ll Wait.
cause Obviously you hating asses need to jump from a tree with a rope tied to your little chinese penis! HAHAAAAA
*I Rest My Case*
Haters replying in 3…..2…..1………
oh. and for the record,
IN THE FIRST THING I TYPED i said that I LIKED EMINEM. lmao. I think he is incredibly talented blah blah blah. All of the OBVIOUS shit. For the time, the 100% TRUE point i was making u dipshit, is that Eminem isn’t a “million a week seller” because he’s so great. “He’s a million a week seller” because he’s white. I’ll even go as far as to add this to it. If eminem was EXACTLY THE SAME IN EVERY SINGLE WAY except he was black, he would have THE EXACT SAME KIND OF NUMBERS as every other REALLY GOOD black rapper out there….maybe worse, depending on how he was being marketed being that the whole “im the only white rapper” thing wouldn’t work anymore. lol.
for the LAST time*
@YepandNope
But did Vanilla Ice stay relevant? You can’t compare Vanilla’s and Em’s success. Vanilla had a hit single and that’s why people bought his album. That’s how it was back in the day. Em has stayed relevant for over 10 years, even after leaving the game for about half a decade. Yes, that shows talent. People like MJ, Elvis, The Beatles, etc stay relevant to this day.
Every once in a while, there’s an artist that comes out and speaks to a generation. It doesn’t happen often, but when it does, this is what happen. Em is one of those dudes. No, I’m not putting Em on MJ’s, Beatles, or Elvis level. That would be ridiculous. Em hasn’t been around long enough. But this is how it starts out. Em sells because the generation he has spoken too still follow him. And the reason Recovery is selling so well is because it shows Em has grown as a person. So has the generation that he speaks to. And he also brought in a lot of new fans that don’t understand the impact Em made 10 years ago.
White people buy the majority of records release today. You’re thinking of this on a hip hop standpoint. Em’s much bigger than a hip hop star. He’s a global star. Why don’t artists like Christina Aguilera sell like Em? She came out around the same time. She’s white. So why don’t she sell based on your logic? Or anyone else for that matter. There aren’t a lot of artists that do what Em does. Em doesn’t sell because he’s white. He sells because he made an impact that will be remembered for years to come. Until hip hop fans starting thinking outside the box, they won’t understand this. Just because white people buy his records, doesn’t mean people buy them because he’s white.
Anyway, I digress. Yayo is annoying as fuck. Godfather of rap? Not so sure about that buddy. I respect Lloyd. Always have. To see him on a track with Em again would be great. He just needs to go do his own thing for a little bit. Need to stop worrying about that g unit crap. Thank god Em has. Man I hate his wannabe gangster phase.
@Thank Me Hater all they people u named do sell record dumb mutha fukaz …and @Word!!!! lmao dats my word a made up Feminem haha…..Eminem finna sell 2 Mil out that two mil that the label brought only a thousand black people bought his album ROZAY!!!
Those other rappers you mentioned don’t sale shit because Eminem has THE MARKET CORNERED for the past decade u dumbass. People always UNFAIRLY compare the next “white rapper” to eminem. The fact is that there will probably NEVER be another white rapper as successful as Eminem. He did it first and it feels like any other white rapper to do it is trying to “fool the fans” or use the same “white gimmick” again, no matter how talented they are, alla, Yelawolf and Asher Roth who are both DOPE AS FUCK in their own right and do alot of things and handle alot of subject matter better than Eminem has done his entire career. Not sure why u mentioned ICP cuz that shit is DEFINATELY more rock/heavy metal bullshit than rap, so that was just an ignorant stretch. And Paul Wall is more of a nigga most niggas i know. I met him once in Miami and he’s a down to earth cool ass, reall ass NIGGA.! lol. He doesn’t even count as white (and u would know this shit if u listened to his music).
There can be only one elephant in the room at a time.
IF I WAS EM I WOULD TRY GET THAT NIGGA BUCK SOLO ON HIS RECORD LABEL. I GOT MADE RESPECT FOR BUCK HE COULD DO BIG THINGS IF HE HAD THE RIGHT BACKING
SO ICY I LOVE HOW YOU SAY ONLY 1000 BLACK PEOPLE BOUGHT HIS ALBUM LIKE YOU DID A SURVEY HAHA YOU CAN TELL YOU AN UNEDUCATED NIGGA
Suck a dick bitch and choke on it. Just bc you are a drake dick rider. It is statisticaly
Its statistically known that they are far more black and hispanics in this world than whites.
If you say eminem sells bc he’s white, then why isn’t paul wall selling? Bubba sparx? He sells a lot because he is good. He talks about real stuff things many can relate 2. I live in the hood and black people love eminem, they don’t bump his shit in the car but they listen to him with there head phones sitting out side rocking their head to it, bc he’s talking about life related problems. In the black community you are not allowed to show weakness, emotion any sort of softness deep feelings. Therefore many rather block out the problems from life by rocking to his music in a confine, a break from radio music, a break from the norm. To say he sells simply because he’s white is complete ignorance. Vanilla ice did it once eminem has done it for a decade and still pushing.
@yepandnope….what exactly is the point of constantly rehashing the same old tired arguements about race exactly? breaking out census information to prove that eminem isn’t that great and only sells as much because he is white? Seriously? I could care less about your generic, retread disclaimers about liking him (that all self proclaimed non haters use before they write an essay trying to disprove the authenticity of his mass appeal) you obviously have tunnel vision in regarding to Eminem and while that’s definitely your right, dont use reductive fallacies to turn your random opinion into solid facts. Eminem is similar to Vanilla Ice in the same way i’m similar to half the people on tv, by skin color only. Vanilla Ice was not the first white rapper (rediculous notion to say the least) he was a one hit wonder who’s happened to be categorized as rap for lack of a genre called ‘the macarana and a bunch of other bullshyt” Eminem came out at a time when people (and according to your numbers, WHITE people) were still making albums like Wu Tang, mobb deep, nas, and even DMX go double platinum, so why do these same music purchasers still have the money to buy Em but not WU (who come out with new albums every week pracitically) It’s because he might drew people in when they were still listening to and buying real hip hop, and then he turned them into loyal fans because of the quality, sincerity and creativity of his music. Every artist makes a garbage album or two in their careers, but I’m listening to the Roots right now and while i love their album, i don’t feel that connected to them as artists. It has nothing to do with color playboi, Otherwise why the hell did white people drool over Michael Jackson even as he was inturupting the NBA finals for his latest freakin video premiere??
Asher roth better then em??? Now I know your just an eminem hater. You rock to the radio, I rock to
Cds. Get off the computer shit don’t you have somethings else to do than to talk shit about eminem
Negative energy negative results, siiting on the computer
@thank me hater they sell more dumbass hahah well not Britney and Christina anymore but other niggas sell like crazy
Man speaks the truth. Eminem the greatest alive today.
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@Roy,
Your entire argument is filled with holes? Damn, where to start….
You can’t compare a white pop R&B singer to THE ONLY GOOD RAPPER IN A 99.7% BLACK DOMINATED GENRE OF MUSIC!?!? Like I said, white people are not RELIGIOUSLY buying Eminem’s albums because his music transcends all other music out and everything he does is guaranteed to be the most incredible thing to ever happen to music? NOR did i say that white people religiously buy his music because he’s a white guy? Lmao. That’s NOT what i said at all? Also, at this point, there are alot of people buying eminem albums because the generation who fell in love with him a decade ago, sits them down and goes: “can you believe the best rapper ever is a white guy!?!!? His name is Eminem!!! Oh you never heard of him!?!?! well lemme put you on!?!?!”
Lol. After hearing that shit (which so many of you actually believe) OF COURSE the next generation is going to go out and buy his shit!?! They WANT TO BELIEVE the best rapper alive is white just as bad as every other white person does!
I said that white people religiously buy his music BECAUSE THEY ARE INFATUATED WITH THE FALSE BELIEF THAT A WHITE GUY IS THE NUMBER ONE AMONGST ALL THE BLACKS! Eminem is an INCREDIBLE rapper! So much so that when white people realized that he was better than alot of blacks they grabbed onto the idea that he could be the absolute best and ran with that shit with absolutely no plans to EVER let it go (even after his last two really bad albums i like to add again).
The fact that you brought up vanilla ice’s longevity only further proves that you don’t fully comprehend what im saying? Vanilla ice had a hit song in a “black dominated sport” so AAALL of the white people out there took that shit and ran with it! Now what separates Eminem and Vanilla ice is the FACT that Eminem is ACTUALLY A GOOD RAPPER! lol. I never argued otherwise. You can only fool people for so long and the fact that vanilla ice is a one hit wonder proves that. Now Eminem on the other hand is actually good enough to keep all of the white fans who attached to him from the beginning satisfied with each of his outings. I never the ONLY reason Eminem sales is because he is white. I said THE MOST DOMINANT reason he sells is because he is white! If he was a BAD rapper he would STILL sell hundreds of thousands of albums first week BECAUSE HE IS WHITE! The fact that he is white AND ACTUALLY GOOD is why he sells 800,000 and not 3 or 300,000.
“He speaks to a generation?” I was with you until you said that dumbshit? When eminem first came out the only shit he EVER rapped about was rape, death, gayshit, sucking dick, murdering mothers, killing wives, suicide, drugs, shit, piss, blah blah blah! He had absolutely ZERO substance to his music and STILL sold millions! Now if you think that the shit he was saying was “speaking to a generation” than you are supporting MY argument even more than you think! If there is actually a WHOLE GENERATION of people out there who was really into that nonsense that exists out there, than its easy as hell to believe why they religiously buy his music! Noone else was saying all of the bullshit he was saying (Albeit in a talented way).
You said Eminem is Global?? I agree? lol. That’s why i kept it to U.S. statistics and didn’t go global, but if i did it would STILL support my argument that Eminem sales because he’s white. It’s the exact same principal. It’s the phenomena of “the great white hope?”
You should be ashamed for even mentioning Eminem with those legends by the way. I mean u qualified your statement, but that only proves that EVEN YOU KNOW that there is ZERO comparison to those guys. I mean SURE eminem has a handful of CLASSIC songs that touch on REAL subject matter, but only a delusional person would argue that 95% of Eminem’s catalog is anything more than mindless gay, morbid, pointless bullshit. I don’t understand how you can say THAT crap speaks to a generation?
Oh one more thought,
if a BLACK rapper came out with TWO CONSECUTIVE ALBUMS that THEY THEMSELVES ADMIT were trash, they would become irrelevant for the most part and the fans would let them know they were bad albums.
The majority of Eminem album buyers (u know the white people i said support him because hes white) not only still bought those albums and swear up and down that they are still good (EVEN THOUGH THE ARTIST HIMSELF SAYS OTHERWISE) they GAVE HIM A THIRD SHOT EVEN WITH A TERRIBLE FIRST SINGLE!?!?! lol. Wow.
Damn. I guess im done. Niggaz dont know how to read. I CLEARLY said, asher roth is better than eminem in certain aspects. I didn’t say hes an overrall better rapper than eminem? lol. ur right. no point in arguing with those who cant comprehend. They just take shit waaaay outta context.
Lol Back peddling to @Roy’s comment. Seems like you lost homie. “Rappers not relavent” “asher roth is better” “paul wall doesn’t count” cz he acts black and people are color blind therefore don’t buy his album.- ignorance is bliss.
@YepandNope
Ur just one ignorant muh’ fucker.
lloyd banks gave the exact reason why Em still sells. for heaven’s sake he’s still selling in the recession. Like sum1 mentioned Christina Agulera was one of the top selling artists before she took a break; came back and then bricked. Isn’t she white?? What’s the excuse? Beyonce & Usher are doing bigger numbers than her but no one will bring out the race issue there.
You seem to forget that Em is outselling everybody; black or white. Sherly crow just debuted with 55,000 copies. The same artist who’s past cd sales where way way bigger than Eminem’s biggest cd. She’s white too but isn’t selling. I’m talking about music genres that normally sell. Nobody is freaking selling. Rap nowadays sells the least but Eminem is like one of the few that still sell and you say it’s cos of his skin color??
You all were the same people laughing at him in his underground days that a honky can never make it, now you’ve gone 360??
If it was cos of his color then tell me why Sheryl Crow and Christina Aguilera ain’t selling. Artists that usually do diamond numbers.. Explain to me if you can.. We are not even talking of Paul Wall or Bubba… Explain Crow and Aguilera..
Get fuck out of here with all that bullshit talk…
Ignorant ass fool..
ur right. paying too much attention to this shit has cost me a few hundred bucks at my poker tables. fuck this shit. pointless anyway. if u get what i said…good. glad u understand. if ur still arguing for some reason, then you clearly have comprehension skills and im not a teacher so fuck u.
ok ok ok….lmao. its just killing me that you idiots keep arguing the wrong shit, or just dumb shit?!?!?!!? SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLLY read everything i wrote, and you MIGHT….just MIGHT understand that you are arguing for no fucking reason, OR your arguing a mute, ignorant, and completely invalid point. ok. im done now. guess i can leave happy knowing that the same people who either can’t read this much OR comprehend what they’re reading, aren’t worth arguing with in the first place. lol. PEACE!
Poker game in your moms basement, listining to drakes album hitting those high notes!
Haha what a loser ” I’m smarter then you peace” easy way out
ok. i gotta say this shit because i just caught it and i think its funny as shit…lmao.
You said that black people don’t bump eminems shit but they listen to it with their headphones?~!?!?!?!?? lmfao!!!
So what you just said is, you don’t have PROOF that black people listen to eminem because the only cars you hear it blasting out of are those of white people, but YOU SUSPECT that AAALL of us black people are secretly listening to him in our headphones when noone is around?!?!? LMFAO!!!
so you reduced your whole argument to a conspiracty theory huh?
Done.
MR. MATHERS GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!!!!! BITCHES!!! RECOVERY TAKING OVER MUSIC IN GENERAL
Ugh they don’t let a phone yet alone a damn latop near the fucken table you fucken genious!!
Its nick canon everyone I just found out lol damn nick canon has nothing to do bored with mariah careys money
and didnt say i liked drake either. lol. i said the opposite. so according to that ignorant middleschool jab u keep taking, your comprehension skills are alot worse than i thought. also clear that your not even reading and trying to make valid arguments. u just got ur “widdy biddy” feelings hurt and now u wanna make pointless insults? and stop fantasizing about where you think i am right now. That’s gay as shit fagboy. does your boyfriend know you get on the computer and talk shit to other men just so u can fantasize about where they are and what theyre wearing? lol. ur right. i win. ty. and gn.
and by the way,
i know grammatical errors are common during blog site conversations, but ATLEAST try to spell “genius” right when your insulting someone’s intelligence. lol. Dipshit.
i should’ve left along time ago like i said, but damnit if reading how stupid you are isn’t fun shit. On that note, now your fantasizing that im “nick cannon??!?!?!”
Don’t know what’s worse? The fact that you fantasize about men being other men? Or the fact that the other man you fantasize about men being is Nick Cannon? lmfao.
On that note, enjoy your simple ass life you fucking poopshoot pirate.
Conspiracy theory as big as “white people only buy eminems album” haha what a dumb black nigga who is trying to belittle people on a web site
“You should be ashamed for even mentioning Eminem with those legends by the way. I mean u qualified your statement, but that only proves that EVEN YOU KNOW that there is ZERO comparison to those guys. I mean SURE eminem has a handful of CLASSIC songs that touch on REAL subject matter, but only a delusional person would argue that 95% of Eminem’s catalog is anything more than mindless gay, morbid, pointless bullshit. I don’t understand how you can say THAT crap speaks to a generation?”
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and you should be ashamed of spending all day playing online poker, listening to drake and arguing on blogs about the quality of eminem’s “catalog” not speaking to the hearts and minds of his audience. What a joke…i got two questions…1…so by default i’m assuming you think 95 percent of wu tang, nas and mobb deeps “catalog” was that REAL shyt, is that right? question 2…if so, you still got your gat on you riding dirty and slanging that dro wearing some pink wallabees cuz??? If not then STFU
@YepandNope
“lol. ur right. i win. ty. and gn.”
You feel better now?
Come on man, look at some of those posts you wrote, you seem to be more obsessed with Em than those “Stans”… Why you keep coming back if you’re losing hundreds of $ responding to “people who don’t comprehend”? You sound like one of those preacher tbh with the whole “White supremacy shit”.
Who the fuck cares if fans think their artist is the GOAT, I mean (just an example) Bieber fangirls say he’s the best thing ever, does that make him that though?
Fans are fans, it’s natural they’ll say their artist is the better than everyone else. That’s their mentality.
In the end it’s your own opinion and taste that matters, fuck the rest. You think Em is ok? Alright good for you. Some other guy thinks he is trash, good for him. Etc. You don’t need to try and “convince” them that they’re OPINION is false because you don’t have the same. Fuck that.
Can’t believe I wrote all that, lol but anyhow I’m out, enjoy your poker.
@Dainventah,
You know what i just realized? I’m trying to convince white people that they are successful because of talent and not because they are white? lmfao. Who the fuck on earth would want to admit that they get where they get because they were born a certain way and not on their own merit? Lol. Peace whitey. I shows is saawry I’sa tries to correcta boss! I’s shows hopes yous can fugives me boss! lmao.
I’ve been thinking since last year after dropping Relapse “How long is it going to take until the general public sit back and realize that Eminem is the greatest to ever do it”.
It’s just because his extreme lyrics and the fact that he’s white that people can ignore him, a black rapper with those kind of statistics behind him would be hailed as the second coming of christ.
If you kick the ballistics you’ll realize he is technically one of the most skilled, most versatile, has the most wide appeal and has sold most records, even beating the fucking Beatles last decade, he even has a damn Oscar.
I guess it will take another 10 years or so or at least until he retires from rapping until people sit back and reflect on this only to realize no one will ever do what he did and leave as a impressive legacy.
*hops off Marshall’s penis*
@Yepandnope
First 1/4th of your post made me want to go back and read this entire conversation between everyone and apologize. But then I read the rest of your post and there was so much contradiction that I don’t even know what to say.
SMH. People try to be intelligent but it just doesn’t work out.
EMINEM’S OWN WORDS:
, “Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
Damn right yayo shady all day
AGAIN! LMAO! THIS ONE STATEMENT ALONE SOLIDIFIES EVERYTHING I SAID U F****G IDIOTS WHO STILL WANNA ARGUE OTHERWISE!!!!:
EMINEM’S OWN FUCKING WORDS YOU MOTHAFUCKING DICK RIDIN DELUSIONAL ASSHOLES WHO KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES EVEN WHEN THE MAN HIMSELF IS TELLING YOU THE SAME THING THAT I AM:
, “Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
@Roy,
I got caught up in the ignorant insults being thrown back and forth on top of the lack of comprehension i kept reading, so i got WAAAAAAAAAY off base and for that i apologize. I noticed it myself and felt like a dick! But i stand by the ORIGINAL point i was trying to make. Eminem is great. But eminem is as successful as he is because he is white and that is a fact. The funniest thing about it all is that i wouldn’t have even bothered with this entire bullshit if i realized i should just said the first couple of things and then reminded everyone of the fact that Eminem agrees with me? lmao.
, “Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
Now if any of you people who were arguing with me STILL disagree, than its MORE than obvious that you are mindless stans.
@Duo,
its not about forcing my OPINION. its about trying to convince the delusional of FACTS:
“Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
I think most of the people arguing with me confused me saying eminem sells millions because he is white, for me saying eminem sucks? Eminem would be lucky to do Drake numbers if he was black, being that he doesn’t have that “pop” appeal of a drake.
EMINEM’S OWN FUCKING WORDS YOU MOTHAFUCKING DICK RIDIN DELUSIONAL ASSHOLES WHO KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES EVEN WHEN THE MAN HIMSELF IS TELLING YOU THE SAME THING THAT I AM:
, “Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
Em is #1 bcuz not only da cult followin’, but he bringin’ sumthing diferent 2 da table. Not like deez otha niggaz dat rap ’bout da same shit. Em is the I.V. 4 hip hop….crazy huh.
Dont nobody in my hood got the Eminem new CD ….and @YOUAJOKE yea i did i aint lien look it up on the internet….White people buy 75% of rap CDs ….so when u get a white artist like Eminem its gonna be 95%
In a nutshell, Yayo just told you motherfuckers the difference between “white” fans and us. I bet you if Stevie Wonder come to your hometown right now, his ticket sales wouldn’t match Bruce Springsteen if he did the same shit.
Especially in rap, we hate to see one of our own do good, for no apparent reason at all. While you dudes sit up here and create all kinds of reasons for Hov’s success and why it shouldn’t count, Eminem’s fans are riding out, I mean, isn’t selling records the point anyway?
g-unit nigga thats was up.
both of these sukaz have white cum in their mouth
just disgusting…
you can’t have any respect to these men, stop your slave mentality !!
People always saying….oh its all the white people buying his shit….. So then why don’t black people support there favorite artist….or maybe black people are supporting there favorit and there buyong eminems shit also…..
, “Look at these eyes, baby blue. Baby, if they were brown, Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf… Let’s do the math. If I was black I would’ve sold half … Wow, I’m like my skin, is it starting to work to my benefit now?”
em killing it right now.
@yepandnope i totally agree with you, you shouldn’t try to convince any race that they are void talent and provided advantages in abundance…however slow your roll in this particular case bro…im half spanish half israeli…born in the middle east…all this black white ish is for the birds…i just don’t appreciate peeps accusing me of appreciating art for such a superficial bullshyt reason, like i dont listen or i dont have the proper comprehension techniques to evaluate em vs all the underground, mainstream, pop, r&b, rock and alternative music out there that i have equal love for…dont devalue one artist to overvalue others…that seems to be the popular trend thesedays but its one i just cant understand….i love salvador dali but i can appreciate the beautiful blurs of a Monet painting…styles dont always need to be pitted against each other…
oh and btw, those quotes you keep posting from eminem about his realization of his success, dont kid yourself playboi…just like in the movie 8 mile…that is his methodology, he stays winning because he stays one step ahead of critics and haters by doin it to himself….i dont buy the fact that he believes it for one second, hes just playing you for a sucker…mind games 101
i still cosign your final response though, peace
@dainventah & @yepandnope
Dainventah hit the fuckin nail on the head. In the same song yepandnope keeps referring to, Em says something about giving dre some of his fans and getting dre fans as well and then liting a fire up under Dre’s ass.
Sway put that question to him and interview and what did Em say?? Em said Dre would have been big with or without him..
He just puts those lines in there to stay one step ahead of dem haters and critics as dainventah said.
I personally feel the only thing Ems skin did for him is get him that attention. As most of us can name every white rapper that has existed; being a white rapper will always make people want to check u out even if its to find a way to diss your shit and laff at you.
A lot of cats out there have good stuff that is being slept on just because people can’t be bothered to sift through all the shit available this days and his skin color made people want to check him out for themselves.
So if em was black, doesn’t mean he would sell half; he probably might have gone unnoticed. Afterall Lil Wayne did one mill the first week so a black rapper can move such big units.
Selling overseas is different. For that I definitely feel Ems skin works for him in that regard. But in the US, that skin talk is just bullshit..
Talking about skin color. For heavens sake NOBODY IS FUCKIN MOVING UNITS… Even the white artists that usually sell arent selling as much anymore. Nobody says anything when Beyonce outsells Aguliera when Aguilera in the past was always selling more than Beyonce. But y’all always bring skin up when its Eminem…
Go listen to “Till I Collapse” man..
**** correction
Sway put that question to him in an interview on MTV and what did Em say?? Em said Dre would have been big with or without him..
So why did he put that in his song? So u critics and haters won’t have nothing to use against him..
Its like Oh.. I’m successful cos of Dre?? Said that already. I sell cos I’m white?? Said that already.. what else do you have to say??
“3 in the morning”?
Isn’t it 3A.M.??
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YepandNope says:
Thursday, July 29 2010 at 5:50 PM EST
@eminem1 said, “haha fuck the haters 1 of the biggest names in the game has just came out ans said it .”
Not only is this dude FAR from one of the biggest in the game, he basically WORKS FOR EMINEM?!?!? lmao. To say anything other than what he is saying would be career suicide u idiot.
@graffitti bandit said,
“I think he has a faithful fan base of people who have been following him for years.
THEY’RE CALLED WHITE PEOPLE.”
And you would be correct sir. Whites are loyal to their “rap savior” no matter how good or bad he does/is (as represented by their loyalty during his last two albums which EVEN EMINEM ADMITTED WERE BAD), because they will NEVER let go of their FALSE belief that the greatest rapper alive is a white man. Due to their superiority complex (and inferiority complex lol) they somehow feel like if a white man is the best rapper that they all somehow benefit from that?? I’d be a millionaire if i had a nickel for every time the “white person” in the room says “eminem is the best rapper ever” during a hiphop conversation. The FUNNIEST part is the fact that MOST of the time it’s OBVIOUS that the person actually knows basically NOTHING about hiphop as a whole. lol. For the most part Eminem fans are loyal TO THE IDEA of Eminem and not his music. Now of course all of the Stans will go nuts and say black people buy his s**t too, blah blah blah, but its a FACT that the sheer amount of white people in the country DWARFS that of blacks. You could also argue that whites are MUCH more likely to buy music as a whole vs blacks. Not just because we’re cheap but because of the STATISTICAL FACTS that represent our poverty level vs. that of whites. Oh, and I’m not even going to get into the marketing advantage this guy has over everyone else in the history of this ish. Basically, Eminem is NOT the best rapper by far. He is the most SUCCESSFUL SELLING rapper which has absolutely ZERO effect on his status as “the greatest” because of the INSTANT AND COMPLETELY UNFAIR advantage the color of his skin gives him. Go figure. A white man is more likely to succeed in this country than a black man. Who would’ve ever thought? lmao.
FACTS:
-Total U.S. population is 304.1 million
-White Americans are the majority in forty-nine of the fifty states, with Hawaii as the exception.
-12.% of the country’s population is black versus 70% white.
-228.2 million whites versus 37.6 million blacks
The next FACTUAL statistics effects who actually buys albums
-Whites living under poverty is 10.6%
-Blacks living under poverty is 33.9%
*These numbers are ESPECIALLY significant when you consider the fact that even though there are nearly 4 times as many whites in the country, they STILL make up the smallest percentage of the poor. So while there are ALOT less blacks, most of us are still poor. lol. Wow.
Eminem is great. He’s very talented and i like him. What i DONT LIKE is all of you idiots who keep arguing or actually believe that he keeps selling so much because hes just “that good??” lol. I just CLEARLY explained why he always sells so much, EVEN in the face of doing bad albums. Nothing wrong with it. Just acknowledge the truth and stop acting like being white isn’t the reason he sells so much when it is DEFINITELY the reason he sells so much.
p.s.
I think even Eminem has admitted in several of his verses that he knows he sells because he’s white, but his Stans still don’t want to believe it? lmao. smdh.
YO NIGGER ARE YOU ON RICKYS PAY LIST CUZ EVERYTHING YOU POST IS ABOUT SHADY SELLING CUZ HE WHITE, SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR GAY STATISTICS MOTHERFUCKER,BLACKS DONT BUY MOST OF THE MOTHERFUCKERS THEY LIKE EVEN IF THEY WAS THEIR FAVORITE MC.MOST OF MOTHERFUCKAZ THAT ARE GONNA BUY RICKYS,DRAKES,LIL WAYNES,KANYES, JAYZ,CD’S ARE GONNA BE WHITE TEENAGE GUYS AND GIRLS , IF IT WASNT FOR THE WHITE FOLKS RAP WOULD BE DEAD BITCH,CUZ MOST NIGGERZ DONT BUY SHIT CUZ THEY BROKE OR JEALOUS
thank you, i was on the train the other day and i saw this cookie cutter white kid in a hollister shirt listening to “Distant Relatives’ on his ipod. Not saying he bought it legally or anything but White people support rap more than black ppl do and thats a fact
Eminen’s not selling cos he’s white,he’s selling cos he’s the fucking best.Look at guy like asher,paul wall & bubba,why aint they selling,aint they white too?……..and for d record i’m black and i’ve bought all his albums.
SO ICY YOU AINT NO HOOD NIGGA YOUR FUCKING FAGGOT ASS IS ON THIS WEBSITE ALL DAY WAITING FOR NEW EM POSTS TO POST ON HAHA YOU AN UNEDUCATED NIGGA NOTHING MORE
you bitches delusional as shit? in no way shape or form did he say that line to mean “fuck the haters” or to “be one step ahead?” lmfao. It’s funny as shit that the man you worship was 100% honest about his level and success and how HUGE of a part that being white has played in it, but you idiots will find someway to convince yourselves of otherwise even after the man admitted it out of his own mouth? lmao.
and fuck u ignorant shit talking faggots talking about “nigger” and “rick ross blah blah blah?” lol. that internet nigger callin shit doesnt bother me? lmao. Know why? because NOone on this PLANET in my 25 YEARS of living has EEEEEEEEEEEVER said it to my face or even in my fucking presence, but u internet tough guys kill that shit. lmao. that’s not an insult? its funny!
hmm…to sum it up. I delivered COLD HARD FACTS ON TOP OF THE MAN SAYING IT OUT OF HIS OWN FUCKING MOUTH, and you idiots delivered a bunch of opinionated conjecture and ignorant name calling? lol. smdh. fuck you all. you deserve each other.
Man… I have nothing against Eminem, but I don’t like his music that much, he doesn’t have the proper voice for rap and the rhymes are usually some frustration expressions which get boring after a few listens.
It’s a huge thing that he managed to stay on top after all these years and I can only congratulate him for that.
Still, the real rap for me is the Westcoast stuff done by Cube, Game CH and all the other heavy hitting veterans, the rest are just for a 1-2-3 time plays and just for the moment.
So, I really hope Cube’s new album will smash Eminem’s record (although I doubt that) and the West Coast will get back where it belongs… at the top of the rap game. keep it gangsta!
I think yall need to stop hatin FOR REAL! Eminem sells so much because theres NO OTHER RAPPER in the world like him and not just because he’s white! His syllable rhyme scheme, subject matter, and flow are all COMPLETELY original and specific to HIM! No one else can take that flow or rhyme scheme OR those crazy weird beats he uses (like those “without me” and “real slim shady” beats) and be anywhere NEAR as appealing! For me personally, eminem is the only rapper point blank period that i do NOT have to hear a single from to buy his album because I know it’s going to be lyrically strong and production wise intriguing at the least. Everyone else I need to hear a single before I make my final decision but with Em you already know what you’re getting and that’s something you can’t get FROM ANYONE ELSE! THATS why he sells! Plus he’s rapping about his life and personal issues and not spending his time buying lamborghinis and dumbass chains getting into fights and or locked up all the damn time he’s himself and not trying to be something hes not. Respect the man!
And you all might as well quit with that eminem sells cause hes white bullshit cause white ppl make up like 90% of ppl that still buy cds! I dunno where yall live but in chicago we bootleg EVERYTHING! I can get any cd or dvd i want for 3 bucks on the blockno one out here is fenna spend 10 bucks in a fuckin best buy or target on the actual cd its pretty much all white ppl that do that which INCLUDES your fav rapper! So next time jay z or wayne or ross go platinum keep in mind those are the same ppl that bought eminems album, just not as many 🙂 Him being white definitely helps, but him being so lyrically gifted that he appeals to all men but coming out with a first single that apologizes for the silly repetitive relapse album and another rihanna single that speak 2 the ladies helps a lot more
CO SIGNING FREDRO
I dont hate em cuz I respect what he is doing keeping hip-hop relevant….but making songs and speaking on shit isnt what he is doing anymore….wayne and em say some crazy shit but its not a message nor does it make sense………biggie was a clever mofo and had a message at the same time…..pac spoke that real shit…..and jay keeps reinventing himself and tells some cold ass stories about life and what people do to bring you down from the top………many wont agree but it is what it is