Future & Iggy Azalea Debut High On Charts
April 30, 2014 @ 10:33 AM EDT
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Seven days since its release, Future’s debut Honest has landed at the number two spot on the Billboard charts with 53,000 copies scanned. Iggy Azalea’s The New Classic rounds out the top three with 52,000. As far as Asher Roth, his RetroHash took #45 with an unfortunate 6,000 units.
Lol@ an unfortunate 6,000 units
It really is, considering how good the album is
unfortunate? Why did yo never post the numbers of Mr. Red Nose. Cause Sage sold the same 6000 units you call unfortunate and he had 2 monster hits in clubs and radio. #facts
#3 in a slow week… don’t gas it.
Record sell are stupid now. I’m from the era we’re you had to sell at list 200.000 copies to be on the billboard. Know days people selling 40.000 copies and they top the charts, get that bull shit outta hear.
I understand what you are saying. But wow, you are horrible at spelling.. Grammar I don’t give a fuck about. But when you can’t spell. That implies little intelligence.
FUCK YOU NIGGA.
Moron do u realize that these albums would do the numbers u said if ppl couldn’t download or get it on YouTube or pandora?
Yeah I understand social media fuck the game up a bit.
it has nothing to do with social media – those are musical platforms…social media is what helps spread whatever is on the musical platforms. If anything social media saved the game…
LOL! SAD.
FUCK YOU NIGGA
I MEANT SAD STATE OF HIP HOP. I’M NOT A KEYBOARD GANGSTA I was agreeing with u Bro..
Fellas fuck the numbers it’s all about quality of the music that these artist are feeding us na mean
“Mase ain’t worth 2 million with 2 million in his pocket” – 50 Cent
RetroHash is so far the best album I heard this year.
Iggy Azeala is white
Retrohash is really one of the best albums I’ve heard in a bit. “aint no song yo ass finna skip” really timeless music
What happens when albums get down to ZERO sold? Hip Hop will indeed be dead at that point and its coming soon.
record labels will always buy albums
Doesn’t look like that anymore cause I dont think they bought these two albums. I have never see concrete evidence that labels buy albums unless its for promotional purposes. Its gonna come a time soon where no artists in rap sells anything, like straight up sells be like 0 or like 1 cause the rapper bought his own shit but all the other artists in pop, R&B, country etc… still sell
r&B is dead. You’ll never see an artist sell 0. those 6,000 asher got are probably from the label. do you know ONE asher roth fan? i don’t. I can’t name 5 let alone 100 that would that nigga cd. It’s been happening and will continue to happen. Rap still sells. Kendrick, J Cole, Drake, Jay, Kanye. its just that you need a stable fan base. but you already know this.
Yeah but sells across the board are dipping at a faster rate. Pretty soon Kendrick wont be able to sell shit. Section 80 aint even sell what Iggy just sold in 1 week. Once the sells completely just fall off the map? People gonna start turing the lights out on the musical side of hip hop culture. Now that may be hard to believe, but as time goes on the game is getting worse and worse and less money is coming through and thats gonna have a negative impact on the game once niggas 1st week sells start being like 35 albums sold.
Soon the cd will evaporate like VHS but something else will take it’s place. its bad all around, even in pop. But is pop music ever going to die? Nope. they have it in digital with the singles. itunes and all that Katy perry sells like shit. But she is still as popular as ever making music. Rappers are shifting their focuses to singles than making cohesive albums. its been happening for years. We are in the era you are talking bout. Diddy shutting down bad boy, jay closing up roc a fella for roc nation multi purpose facilities etc etc. Rappers selling 35k a week. Everything is going digital now. Soon cds will be gone and the only way to get your music will be from the computer.
Hip Hop fans must learn that MONEY helps make strong culture. You can not have a thriving culture once MONEY is gone. Music must be bought (if you claim to be a fan of any particular artist), if you do not buy the music then that artist has to find other ways to make money so his attention will eventually switch from making great music to trying to survive as an artist and that will eventually turn into the release of weak music.
Of course. I believe the same thing. we agree
Jayz does not count because he’s Jayz. ALL the other formats of hip hop are also losing money so once cds are replaced its replaced with another format thats losing money and falling in sells. Sells online are worse then music store sells for the most part and those fans aint even gotta leave their house to make those purchases. Other genre’s are not gonna feel the same kinda effects as hip hop because the labels that put out pop music and R&B are already billion dollar companies. What you are seeing to today is a dying hip hop culture but when you turn on your computer you cant tell its dying but the artists that are not rich and famous are starting to lose money more then make money by being hip hop artists so once the legends of hip hop are gone, we will be left with a dying culture thats losing money and sells.
People will ALWAYS buy shit. fans will ALWAYS support their artists no matter what format. What we have are a lack of talented rappers. So of course they aren’t selling. There are no fan bases. There is no connection between artists and fans these days except for Jay, Kanye, Drake kendrick j cole. Hip hop is not dying. The same major labels that support these artists pump out pop music too. But pop is doing shitter than rap. Drake sells more than any pop artist. Lady gaga flopped, katy perry flopped. But pop isn’t going anywhere. What you are describing is an end to music which is absurd. Fans will always support their favorite artists. Rap just needs more superstars. But what we get are trap lords etc etc. Gangsta rap is dead, trap is dead. Drake is the new model for success.
I do not think fans will ALWAYS support their favorite artists. I think sells will continue to fall until rappers are no longer supported by fans. Drake has made thee most number hit songs so yeah he says but Kendrick and Cole’s albums should at least be three times platinum at this stage. Im not even a gan of they music but I here everybody else say they are so where are the sells? Pop music and Hip Hop does not come outta the same place. Major labels support pop stars and hip hop albums are funded by the crumbs left of pop stars table. Labels only distribute hip hop records but dont do anything to promote too much. It does not matter if pop albums sell for the most part because these companies already handle a pop stars money by endorsement deals and other things. They do not cover those bases for rap stars. Hip Hop wont die completely but sells can get so low to where the artform will not survive in a commercial space anymore. If Drake is the new model of success then the chances of you seeing another Drake again probably wont happen for another ten to fifteen years so what are people gonna do in the mean time? Gangsta rap died largely because of sells cause once a gangsta album couldnt even go gold it made no sense to market and promote that kinda music because you’ll be losing money. The internet will always keep the hip hop culture alive at some point but without the money the sound of it and the delivery of it will get weaker and weaker.
I mean Drake has thee most number ONE hit songs so yeah he sells… You say Drake is the model of success now? We may never see another artists like Drake ever again in Hip Hop so then what?
Oh and if Drake wasn’t an R&B singer? I think 60% of his sells wouldn’t exist.
Drake isn’t an r&b singer. He is an ARTIST. he sings, he raps but he is an artist.
Drake is an R&B artist, he’s also a rapper but yeah not everybody can sing or even wants to. Drake has full out R&B songs on the radio. Thats not Hip Hop, thats R&B. My thing is this. Hip Hop now should at minimum have 6 artists that sell multiple platinum albums a year just based on number of mainstream hip hop artists with fanbases that are a couple million plus and the sells dont reflect that so of course the music gets weaker because making albums cost money if you wanna create and present them on the highest level with the worlds biggest rap stars. If people aint willing to pay then you wont get that album. We will probably never see a Rocafella, G Unit, Ruff Ryders, Cash Money, or Bad Boy ever again because those labels were built of multi million dollar sells and budgets.
Hip hop is a culture and within that culture lies r&b. Here’s my thing. The main superstars of rap are, Drake, Lil Wayne, Jay, Kanye & THATS IT. And all of those people go plat. Wayne goes plat in a WEEK twice. The rest don’t have big fanbases at ALL. Wiz, kid cudi, lupe, etc etc. they are small time in MUSIC but big in hip hop if you know what i mean.
They are not small time in music, you just naming a bunch of people that been rapping ten plus years but Wiz and Lupe, and Kid Cudi are far from small time.
In the realm of general music .yes they are small time sure they might be big in hip hop but they are small time. They aren’t big names in music at all. you’ll never see one of them open up the grammys
Social media says different. If you judge somebody like Wiz by how much he’s being followed online and in media? It would indicate that he’s a giant and not small time at all. His name is huge in music just like those other names so I dont know what your talking about. If anyone of them dropped a single right now, every media outlet and station in music would be alerted and millions of fans would catch it on their radar in less then 24hrs. Thats just not small time by any measure at all. Wiz could sell out almost every venue in the country regardless of size so it makes sense to be like where’s the sales at?
Wiz is small time. sure he might be a big rapper in hip hop but in the GRAND SCALE OF MUSIC he is small time. you’ll never see him open up the grammys. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one
Fans will always support their favorites, They want to see them succeed. Be number one. It took rihanna what like 6 albums to get a number one album? Her fans did that for her. in the 90s you didn’t have bittorrent so of course rappers album were going plat. but it was a better quality of music.
When was the last hit pop record that sold Drake’s numbers? J Cole’s numbers? Kendricks number? Lady gaga sold less than 200k. Pop biggest star. thats how high they can score on the charts now. Rappers are selling more than pop artists. Each genre of music gets it each way with labels. You have your superstars then you have your crap. the superstars get the VIP treatment while the crap gets the crumbs. Rap has less superstars then pop so of course it looks that way. It goes back a lack of superstars. Hip hop as a culture is BIGGER than ever. We infiltrate every aspect of culture around the world including the commercial aspect. are you kidding me? It is the dominate music in the world and it is only getting bigger. Besides we don’t need a new drake, we need a new NEW. let drake be drake and let someone else come and blow us away. Drake is smart becuase he combines music genres together. that is the future of hip hop. Underground will be alive. But in order to survive commercially, you have to be willing to branch out,
If fans will always support their favorite then why their favorite artists aint multi platinum sellers? Rihanna doesn’t count because again she had a million dollar recording budget right out the gate (which is why I said money is need to make a “superstar”). J Cole and Kendrick are not selling alot either. Their numbers are fine but each one of those guys have at least ten million plus fans so them having 1 platinum album is not reflective of their sell potential. You keep bring up pop stars? Hip Hop artists? there are just way more rap stars, for everyone pop star there is at least 10 different mainstream rappers so the sells across the board should even be close.We should have hip hop albums at this point doing between 2 million and 4 million in albums sells on a consistent basis especially since hip hop now is more popular then its ever been. We got a show called 106 n Park that promotes hip hop artists 5 days a week and our sells are trash and again you can not have a “superstar” without millions of dollars, it just will not happen.
Where the hell are you getting this ludicrous fan numbers from? Cole having 10 million fans?? da faq? the people who bought cole’s album. Those are the number of his fans. Fans go out and support their artists. Not like me who likes cole but don’t wanna spend 15 bucks on his cd. And like i said, there is too many rappers in the game making crappy music. you think every rapper can go plat? Hell no. Only superstars go plat and we have so few.
But the main thing we agree on is the internet fucked up everything. If i couldn’t download Watch the throne, i’d have to buy it. Thats is the main dagger for the industry. I mean adele fans don’t even know about bittorrent lmao
Here’s where im getting the number from? Hip Hop and its hot artists are exposed to the people in the United States. All together its gotta be about 30 or 40 million people who are fans of the hip hop culture and certain artists. Now everybody has their favorites but when these artists do stadium tours around the country they can come across 50 million people by the time that tour is done if it was a huge tour. You also got fans on the internet and fans watching Tv and listening to the radio. Now these mainstream rappers for the most part got at least 2 million fans outta all those people? So where are the sells?
You have to take in account piracy. You’re a smart man. you know the internet kills sales. That and the quality of music. If the quality ain’t good then NO ONE IS GONNA BUY. We are going round and round and i keep repeating myself to you. Let’s just agree to disagree on the points we don’t agree upon.
A big reason why you had so many greats in rap before and now basically all these rap niggas are trash is because of money. Artists before knew money was at stake and that people would buy if they were satisfied. Now? If Lupe for example makes thee most incredible album known to mankind it may still only sell like 5 copies and thats a problem.
the reason niggas is trash now is because the bar has been set so low in terms of making hit songs. you even look at the production (dj mustard) its not complex nor is it hard to do. So you have this flooding of untalented rappers with their untalented producers coming in all at once and each takes turns at being the new hot shit. Kirko bangz, signs deal because of hit song, not enough time to build fan base, throws album out, flops, then the next rapper comes with his 1 hit single, gets signed off that one record, drops album flops and it goes on and on. the industry is ran on singles now and thats where the big money is. Lupe has a good fanbase. a fanbase that will buy his albums regardless. LASERS did well. But i can’t lie some of the blame has to go on us. I mean bootlegging has been around forever, but now with the internet niggas downloading cds left and right. we are the only culture of fans in music that pirate so much of our own music. But the problem is why would a fan go out and buy some weak ass wack shit? If i knew an artist slaved over their work for years and worked hard on it, poured his soul on the record i’m buying that shit. But rappers make albums in 2 months and expect me to just spend money on it when we know is trash? hah. guess again.
Also the reason shit is so trash is because people refuse to pay. Example, lets say I have a concept song that I wanna make with Dr Dre and Kendrick Lamar? You know how much thats gonna cost me to make? ALOT so if the people aint gonna buy it after I make it then of course I wont do it and you’ll probably get some throw away material because I know you wont support any real fire. If you were a billionaire and you had the most talent rappers on your label that ever existed it would still be bad business for you to put out albums, why? Because your gonna spend more making it then your gonna make selling it and thats a problem. Show money is great but if your product dont sell and your not an established brand then you aint even getting show money. No business will last without fans buying product, its just impossible to do so. Lupe fans do not buy, ever time Lupe makes an album it should be a platinum seller period. You cant say nothing about the skill level cause dude is probably the illest MC to touch a microphone sense Nas and he still struggles to sell. Ross should also have so many platinum albums sold its ridiculous. He has put out more material then 90% of rappers and he still struggles to sell and his fanbase as to be at least around 5 million people.
First of all Ross should not have a plat album cause he sucks. And you don’t need money to make a dope concept album. you don’t need dre, timbo. Drake has 40 and he does just fine. You can make a masterpiece cd with little too no money. How much has The Blueprint made for? 2 producers just stating out. Very little. How long did it take> what 3 weeks? bam. a classic cd that changed the game and sold records. Genius does not rely on the coin sir. and ross does not have 5 million fans. lmao.
Your missing the point dude. Someone like Ross has a fucking huge fanbase, your talking about someone who has at least 8 million people with at least 1 Ross album in their itunes at this point but 95% didnt buy the music so it appears he’s not a big artist or platinum worthy but he been out since 2006 and is one of thee most visible artists and one of thee most played artists in hip hop. These low sells are far below the amount of people these artists are really touching.
trust me. I get what you’re saying. We are mostly on the same page here. But if Ross was really “touching” people out here they would buy an album. But instead its the same bullshit rap he’s been spittin for since he came out. Sure it’s hot, but it isn’t nothing new. And niggas isn’t gonna spend their money on something that isn’t new. And no way does Ross have at least 8 millie people listening to his records. No way. If that was the case he would be selling insane numbers. so it goes both ways. i don’t think you understand the magnitude of a MILLION people. That is a shitload of people. And when you say 8 MILLION. come on. that is ridiculous
Its not ridiculous. Do you know how many people are familiar with Ross and have multiple songs and albums of his in their itunes? WAY more then his sales indicate. Ross been out for more then 5 years, all over Tv, the net and radio so its almost a fact that yes 8 million people are following him at various times throughout his career. He’s doing what he should be doing, he cant make everybody happy musically but there is alot of people that got his music.
nope. You clearly don’t understand the magnitude of 8 million. Sure 8 mil might fuck with his music. But being FANS? nah.
And the “superstars” of rap? For the most part 90% of them were products of million dollar budgets. Its almost impossible to have a rap superstar without millions of albums being sold.
drake was a superstar before his first album. fact. 50 cent was a superstar before his debut. fact. you dont need to sell millions of records first time around to become one. if you have a big enough buzz that leads into your album then you can be a superstar before your first lp. but that wasn’t my point. even if they don’t have big buzz like drake the problem is a disconnect and the lack talent in hip hop. because if all those qualities for a superstar are there including connecting with a fanbase on a personal level and worldwide then you will sell records,
Drake was an actor off Degrassi with a record from Tre Songs that debuted on 106 n park and a mixtape with other mainstream hip hop artists, fact. 50 was a Columbia recording artist who had a song with Destiny Child and was a ghostwriter for Puff and largely was popular because survived 9 shots. fact. Even if what your implying is true, you named two artists that sell outta thousands in hip hop culture that dont. If you dont need millions of records sold or a million in budget to be a superstar then who’s gonna pay for your mainstream marketing a promotion and overall career? You talk about buzz? Then how come only like 5% of artists have a buzz and most of them still sell very little? You say a lack of talent? I could name 30 MCs right now that have incredible talent but albums do not sell… (Skyzoo, Currensy, Saigon, Lupe, Evidence, Ryan Leslie, etc…. Where are the sells? And with 98% of all the mainstream MCs that have more then a million fans? Wiz Khalife has to have about 20 million fans at this point and does he even have one platinum album? How come most these mainstream rappers struggle to go gold but their fanbase is huge? They have talent, fanbase an any other checkpoint but still Hip Hop has less and less platinum albums every year but there is more consumption of hip hop music then every before online. Of course you need millions to be a superstar. Just to function as a superstar you need millions so what happens now that hip hop fans refuse to pay?
Those two were used as an example of how an artist can be big before a debut album. 50 wasn’t a superstar with columbia. all those mixtapes made him a star leading up to his debut. With drake he built his buzz and status on good music. Plenty of actor try music (mack wilds) but none have a big buzz like drake did. Besides you are misinterpreting what I said. you said you need to sell millions to BECOME a superstar. I said that artists can be superstars in the genre before leading into their debut album. big difference.
and yes i said talent but you have to have that star quality. You can’t be a pure rapper and expect to sell millions now. besides some of the people you named sure they can rap but can’t write hit songs to save their life. Sure they can write 100s of bars but when it comes to making “songs”? they suck. and Wiz does not have 20 million fans. thats idiotic.
How much money do you think those mixtapes from 50 costed? He had Eminem and Snoop, Nate Dogg, and on some of those mixtapes and a bunch of other artists. The album (Guess who’s Back) that came out from him before that also had nationwide distribution so who paid for that? Even if you wanna use 50? He did about 100 mixtapes just to get to a point where he could sell. Thats ridiculous. You do need to sell millions to become a superstar because who is a superstar that has not crossed a million in sales? Collectively meaning singles, mixtapes and albums? As for Wiz? If he aint got 20 million fans at this point he damn sure got at least 10 just based on the kinda sound he creates and the countless shows he has sold out all over the world. So where the sells at? He makes exactly the kinda of music his fans want?
WHo? Nigga i just told you. Drake & 50. lmao In hip hop they were superstars before their debut album. Sure they might of had help but that doesn’t make the point moot. Everyone has their own path. 50 build his buzz from the ground up with countless mixtapes. Drake caught fire. It can happen differently for different people.
And no fuckin way Wiz got 10 millie fans. lmao . I guess we have to agree to disagree on some things
And hip hop singles and cohesive albums are selling way worse then not cohesive albums and wack singles. Hip Hop artists are making better music and showing the worst sells in hip hop history at this point.
Asher is the only one on the list on an indie label. Its unfortunate when Roth does it, But when Gibbs & Madlib (also indie) sell a bit more 1st week, it’s praised? That’s backwards. That’s not a knock on Piñata, either. To me its AOTY. Just think the reporting could be done a bit more evenly.
“Unfortunate 6,000”? NIGGA 53K, 52K, 6K are ALLLLL UNFORTUNATE! LMAO They ALL FLIPPITY FLOPPED, the flipping & shit like my son Pops in Vampire In Brooklyn said. EVER SEEN A MOHTAFUCKA FLIP FLOP IN YA FACE & SHIT? LIKE THIS?! LMFAO Way to disguise the sales with a clever header too. Salute.
How many people here will fuck Iggy?