Beanie Sigel Calls Charlamagne Tha God
Friday, October 30 2009 8:17 AM EST | Posted by: B.Dot | Posted in: Blog, True Story
This morning, Sigel spoke to Charlamagne Tha God on 100.3 The Beat about his diss song, “What You Talkin Bout” and his relationship with Jay-Z. This shit’s heartbreaking.
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Who are you and what have you done with Guru? Seriously, we go from the emotional rollercoaster ride of thinkin' we're gonna lose one of the game's greatest MCs to some sick pathetic soap opera involving a man of no blood or kin relation denying family members the right to see their loved one. Now yes Keith Elam may not wanna reconcile with folks he hasn't been on good terms with for the past seven years but that's his decision not yours. From the outside lookin' in, you seem really shady. And if Guru's nephew claim is true that you signed documents as Keith Elam's brother and your wife as his sister than that's just plain alarming. An abuse of power. Releasing statements to websites and official Twitter accounts in Guru's name when he doesn't appear to be able to speak on his own behalf is also misleading and completely wrong. Be clear: At this point the only thing relevant and important is the status of Guru's health. Nobody gives a fuck about you or 7 Grand. Guru's legacy is Gang Starr. DJ Premier and Guru made classics. You and Guru make crap. And you should get slapped for meddling in family business.
I'm not dissin' but you shoulda stayed missing. Everybody in the club get tipsy. Nobody in the club remember your name. Damn shame.
WOW! YN actually posted this.. Given how your asshole bone is connected to Jay’s cock bone, surprised, I am.
@abdur rahmaan
if we really want to get to the REAL ROOT of all this shit my nigga, u hit it RIGHT on the head.
@wow
j.cole is gonna be fine. all he talks about is what HE has to do for HIMSELF in order to get where he aspires to be. as long as niggas wait on another man to take care of them, they’ll always be broke.
question. who has been taking care of jay-z all these years? JAY-Z.
“don’t follow me youngin, FOLLOW MY MOVES” …in other words education is what you need. not hand outs.
GIVE A MAN A FISH, HE’LL EAT FOR A DAY. TEACH A MAN TO FISH AND HE’LL EAT FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE
^how can you be personally and business wise tied directly to Jay-Z for 10yrs plus and not learn to fish. these niggas still waiting for jay to give them fish, when he learned how to fish his damn self from watching other fishermen. = success.
I taught-em about fish scale they want me to fish for them
They want me to catch clean, then cook up a dish for them
All of this just for them, or they got a diss for him
They want me to disappear, like it’s gonna do shit for them
They say that i’m in the way, they want me to sit with them
But what they admitting is, they aint got shit for him
But really the fact is, we not in the same bracket
Not in the same league, don’t shoot at the same baskets
Don’t pay the same taxes, hang with the same bitches
So how am i in the way, what is it i’m missing?
Nigga i been missing, nigga i been gone
The shit that you just witnessed is the shit that i been on
And as for the critics, tell me i don’t get it
Everybody can tell you how to do it, they never did it
Now these nigga’s is mad, oh they call me a Camel
But I mastered the drought, what the fuck i’m an animal
Half-man half-mammal
My sign is a Sag, this is just what i plan to do
Oh don’t be mad.
hov is grimey
jaz-o
foxy
rule
x
so on and so on
@Bucky Love
that verse says it all. and ain’t nothing grimey about it. especially in those first 4 bars.
its funny. i’ve never heard a successful nigga cry about what somebody DIDNT DO for them that CRIPPLED their ability to succeed. never in my life.
if jay responds publicly, it’ll either be non descriptive, or the SAME SHIT HE BEEN TELLIN BEANS FOR YEARS probably.
“i came into this game on jaz back, i’m jumped off
stood on my own two, like boom thats that.
yea i’m here to show and prove”
-jay-z
^and thats real talk. beans is a disgrace. some niggas never grow up.
DAMN THIS IS SAD LIKE IM ONE OF TRUE ROC FANS MY FAVORITES IS JAY N BEANS THIS SHIT SADDENS ME BCUZ I LOVE HOV(PAUSE) I JUST WISH THEY WOULD HAVE A SITDOWN WITH EACH OTHA ERRBODY EXCEPT DIPSET THO
and its funny, this beans nigga was the SAME nigga talking shit about kanye’s dress code and calling him gay. you talk about loyalty, ye was giving your fat ass beats bruh. and outta nowhere u come with the jealousy generated jargon. meanwhile ye is out MAKING HIS OWN MONEY OFF THE KANYE WEST BRAND. not the Jay-Z brand…but his OWN brand.
nigga he’s more of a man than you. got signed to the roc and look at him now. STOOD ON HIS OWN TWO LIKE BOOM.
beans is jaz-o and dehaven, klein too, as far as i’m concerned. still waiting on another man to put a bib on you, sit u on his lap and spoon feed u gerber. disgusting.
For real though, Beans had ample time to be much more successful than he is now. Look at kanye, came in on Jay-z’s back and then stood on his own two feet. How I knew about Kanye was that he did some crazy beats for the Blueprint and then he was signed to the Roc. You gotta take care of yourself Beans, who took care of Jay-z? Jay did his thing man.
Still on another level, Jay-z owes it to Beans to sit down with him on some grown man shit and iron out their issues. Calling the cops on your former friend wasn’t warranted either. Very disappointing. It’s sad to see this man. Jay-z just needs to tell dude that “yow you can rap about the streets but leave that street shit alone, get your mind right. I had moves to make and you wouldn’t listen. Had to leave you and let you grow up.”
Just my take.
Dnt worry but J-cole, Honorary College Graduate, street scholar, driven and hungry, He going get his.
The 6 Man of the YEAR is Remi. Mr Zone 6.
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If you don’t believe me see for yourself. I kid you not.
lol these dudes like marvel trading cards to yall, why dont yall just watch a soap opera or the wwe
The crazy thing is, strategically this isn’t a smart move for Beans. He let his talent go to waste by being locked up and then taking shots @ Jay. What he fail to realize is that Brooklyn is gonna hold Jay down soon after NY. Not to make it a state to state thing, the fact remains that once you’re a true fan of a real BK mc (Big,BDK,Masta Ace, Chubb Rock,Mc Lyte, etc.) we tend to side with one of our own. Unless Jay did the sucka thing, but we know Philly will side with Beans, however Jays success is a tale of struggle that we in the hood love to see and make moves to either mirror his or take it as a stepping stone.
@nathaniel, that entire verse is grimey, i dont know what you’re reading or how you’re reading it, jay-z kills it, tellin people do get off his d*ck and try to make their own sh*t. Rocafella rappers need to start making some good sh*t if they want money and Game needs to try actually rapping instead of dissing every person who’s successful because he doesn’t have sh*t.
Jay-z carried the label for like 10 years and NONE of them were able to have success. How don’t you succeed when you’re riding with Jay? If you’re half-talented you should be able to make money off of Jay-z and these guys haven’t made sh*t. He has no reason to cry, Jay-z was giving beans (who is actually good) and the other sh*tty rappers on the Roc props on every song, they were being promoted in the beginning, when none of them were able to catch fire wtf do you expect Jay to do? He can’t carry you for life, you blew your chance when he was promoting you and bleek and all those sh*tty guys earlier, he can’t do it forever, stop bitching.
Wow I always loved Beans but after hearing this interview I got a whole other respect for him! You could feel the hurt in his voice & I got to admit this had me in damn near tears myself! Especially because like Beanie said the ROC was literally like another family we all had growing up & it’s just real sad to see shit end up like this! Jay need to talk to Beanie!
This guy talking about that “fish” nonsense, c’mon, how can you not “learn how to fish” in all that time working with Jay, he sounds ridiculous. “We had no conversation about giving me game”, stop bitching, you should’ve seen how he was doing shit, if you can’t learn from watching Jay then just stop making music please. You’re an idiot if you don’t figure the game out in all your years with Jay-z, he did learn at least one thing from jay-z though “this ain’t a diss record its a real record” sounds a lot like “this aint a diss song its a real song” (lost one – JAY-Z)
dwight, lemme tell you why he didnt vouch for you when time for bail:
you were unreliable, plain and simple.
and i dont mean that from “i ride or die for my mans n dem” type. nah, you got that erryday. you know, “ya gansgta aint on trial”. rather, i mean from the “i’mma get black out and he gon get into some trouble and have to go back and imma lose my stacks b/c he got tendencie to not fly straight in the most supid of ways that just dont make no sense” type. and Allah knows best, but he prob. tried to make you see that at various points prior to that, but you wasnt seein that. matter fact, you said ya self, for example, he told you not to go at jada and nas or whoever you said. why you aint listen? boss tellin you “this”, but you doin “that”. so he was prob. tellin you: “ya need to stop ridin dirty, you a felon. you gon mess up your bread”, “ya need to stop syppin, you a felon. you gon mess up your bread.”, “ya need to stop buckin ery chance you get, you a felon. you gon mess up your bread.”
you my muslim bro and i love you for the sake of Allah, but i wouldnt have even vouched for you at that time, or now even, if i was in that situation. you got tendencies, bottom line. and trust, i aint even up on you like that. i dont be listenin to ya joints like that. i had found out you was a muslim from bros in the prison down here, and i started “seein” ya name connected w/ b.s. and so if i, a muslim from the down south who dont know you from a can a paint, could see it…….dont ya think ya “mans” could? now way would i have put my brerad on the line, knowin that more than likely, you gon mess up.
i mean check, see leslie (yall call him freeway), for example. i found out he was muslim from the same cats, and i started seein his name as well……..just not connected to no b.s. now check again, if the shoe was on leslie’s foot, i think jay woulda got him out. why? cause he aint got no tendencies!!!
another thing you need to realise…….idk about noone else, put i see jay moving from one plane to another. he went from gangsta rocafella…..to not gangsta roc nation. the boy been tryin to fly right ever since he realised his money makin potential. after he stabbed un, did anyone see him checkin for b.s.? no. why? b/c he aint wanna mess up his present bread and the loaves he was tryin to bake the next day. he make his dough, let it rise and made bread out of it, and made more dough for the loaves he wanted to cook the day after that. ya heard?
you aint do dat. you was the cat getin him the flour for the dough……but you started gettin the wrong kind of flour. he needed bread flour….you started bringing corn meal. you messin up his dough, and he cant make no real bread if the flour aint right b/c the dough aint gon rise. ya smell me? do you really?
the boy done move on to another type of dough and you still bringing corn meal. add bey to the mix, that boy is makin some international type dough, bakin world bread. you still makin box jiffy. say word? word.
so thats where hes at w/ his. where are you w/ yours?
nevermind that, where are you at w/ the Big Boss? the Lord of Mankind? obviously, if you aint flyin straight with Allah, how can you fly straight w/ anyone else? if Allah ORDERING you to do “xyz,” and you aint doin it, how can a man excpect you do what hes only ASKING you?
again bro., turn back to Allah, get ya mind right, fly straight…….and good things and true ppl w/ come your way. but as long as you chasin paper and street respect and brotherhood based on b.s……….then you should know that none of those dont: 1. last., and 2. go with you to the grave.
@ jamil,
we’re saying the same thing dawg. u must’ve misread me.
@ abdur rahmaan <—-saying more truth for the squeamish. preach.
I said it already and I’ll keep saying it …FUCK BEANIE SIGEL! 35 YEARS OLD DOG…JAY IS NOT YOUR FATHER, YOUR BROTHER, NONE OF THAT!!!! I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ALL THESE RAPPERS GET SO EMOTIONAL…JUST LIKE BITCHES! YOU TALK ABOUT KANYE BEING GAY BUT YOU SHOULD CHECK YOURSELF FIRST!!! AND ALL THESE MOTHERFUCKERS TALKING ABOUT MORALS OR INTEGRITY…PLEASE!!!JAY NEVER LET HIS REAL PEOPLE DOWN (HIS MOM, HIS NEPHEWS, TYTY AND ALL THEM GUYS). BEANIE SIGEL CAN EAT A DICK…I USED TO RESPECT THAT FAT FUCK…STOP CATCHING FEELINGS PUSSY BOY..IT’S ONLY ENTERTAINMENT…
Hey Bruh….I’m not vouching for anybody, especially a felon who cant keep his ass home cause he keep violating…Sorry Bruh.
beans is the truth.. i like jay too but i can see how jay do that grimey shit. and i like how beans respect what fif has done beans keep your head up
every day the general public gets a glimpse at what a 100% real nigga 50 cent is. Like they say real recognize real not many can recognize 50 cuz aint many real ppl out here anymore.
I believe everything Beanie said is true or atleast how he really feels. Some of it is whining. But it sounds heart felt nonetheless. Hope they can sit down, chop it up and work it out.
Its a whole game of chess….waiting to see whats Jay’s next move, Poof CHECK MATE!
PLEASE!!!JAY NEVER LET HIS REAL PEOPLE DOWN (HIS MOM, HIS NEPHEWS, TYTY AND ALL THEM GUYS)
Yeah ! .. and all them got money from jay because of DAME !
Fuck JAY is a illuminati
abdurrahmaan that was the realist thing i’ve heard all day
yo. yall niggas arent really listening. like this aint about money or beans wanting a handout. niggas need to realize its about respect.
All u dudes are such lames for ur comments sucking Jay-Z. That track he did is real talk.
Who was fighting Jay-Z’s battles in the streets and going toe to toe wit the LOX, Nas, and anybody else who tried to come @ Hov…. Beanie and those Philly niggas. That Hot 97 rampage they did was a classic.
Jay-Z aint say shit to PAC and took an L to Nas. When was the last time he won something?
Beanie got every right to complain. If you the hitman for the boss, and the boss don’t take care of you, there’s a problem. Let’s be real. Don’t let having money be the reason you think Jay-Z could beat Beanie. If Beanie used Jay-Z tactics (how J talked about Nas baby moms after Ether smoked him) we all know Jay-Z would fall and the Roc Nation would be a death trap. U already heard Beanie say if Beyonce really knew Hov shed be disgusted.
Hov betta squash this, cus his street cred is on the line. This aint no youngin tryna come up in the game. Beanie is established and recognized by all.
im a huge beans fan but do any of yall remember beans and all deez other ROC CATS ALWAYS SAYIN ‘ I DONT NEED HOV ALL OVER MY SINGLES AND ALBUMS I CAN HOLD MY OWN’ BUT WHEN THEY CAREERS HIT A DRY SPELL THEY SAYIN HOV LEFT ME OUT TO DRY.
Anyway, this situation is a by-product of the “Roc-La-Familia” mentality, “Secret Society, All We Ask is Trust” vibe that Jay was so proud of when it benefited him from a street perspective. He (and by extension, Dame) did not treat their “artists” like artists; They were having “soul food sundays” and other things to reinforce the values they wanted their artists to have. The problem is that someone like Sigel, who was in need of that type of structure and atmosphere, was consistantly positioned as Jay’s “right hand man,” even more so than Bleek. Judging by Beans’ comments, it was apparent that Jay treated him as though he was intregal to the success of Roc-A-Fella records, when it has become apparent that Jay did not feel the same way. Thats where the root of this problem lies– Your not supposed to mix friendship and business, but in hip-hop, that’s what these “label heads” (from Dipset to G-Unit to Roc-A-Fella to Bad Boy to Death Row) do, and thats why the break-ups are so ugly.
JihaD
@Boom, You need to chill the fuck out,
Mr. Carter is international, Dude dont run rap no more he runs the map. So guess what? Aint nobody know who the fuck Beans is in Europe, Asia, etc. I am Jamaican and aint nobody up to18 know who the fuck he is.
In reality Jay-z bigger than this shit, He can ignore it, keep making money till it goes away and then haters like you dnt have nutten else to talk about. Butttt, cos Beans was his dude, he should address it and squash it. Not because Beans Could hurt his career but because its the right manly thing to do.
By the way lol, what the fuck is wasting time winning battles with often lesser rappers than yourself when you trying to tackle Corporate America and get your stacks up.
Afro-Americans shouldn’t take a page out of Jay-z’s book, yall should read the whole fucking book. Dudes and inspiration right there, Instead yall throwing rocks at him for not defending a jail bird who he gave a to die for opportunity to be very successful. tsk tsk tsk. I just dnt get it.
Shit is sad…
i just don’t see how anyone can feel sorry for beans. he was put in the perfect position for success, rollin with possibly the best ever, and he kept on messing up. Like i said before, its not like jay-z wasn’t on beans tracks or including beans on his, in the beginning jay was all for promoting the ROC, that’s what Dynasty Roc-La-Familia was all about. But seeing as that is one of his worst albums (every jay album has amazing tracks and this was no different but it had a lot of wack features), why the hell would he continue carrying those dudes for another 10 years? They’re all adults, they even claimed they didnt need jigga all over their shit and now this guy bitchin that jay left him. Its been already been said but i’ll say it again, this guy ruined every chance he was given, he didn’t listen, he refuses to grow up. Jay-z aint on that gangsta shit anymore, he’s grown now, he’s bigger than that, beans still runnin around the streets doin dumb shit at age 35.
Jay-z is evolving with hip hop and that’s why he’s got 11 #1 albums in a row, failure to evolve has killed great artists like dmx (his first 3 albums were sick then he fell off), its gonna kill 50’s career, and its the reason why beans never had a career lol. He’s got skills but when you dont know how to use them they’re useless. And it seems like beans is tryna have his cake and eat it too, i mean, he’s talkin so much shit about jay but then says “i aint dissin him”. Basically he’s saying, “yeah i’ll talk shit on a track but i still want to be able to ride his cock if he calls me”. For ppl who think this isn’t about money, you’re sadly mistaken. Everything is about money, this guy is jealous that he spent all his time being the Robin to rocafella’s Batman and he feels he should have some of what jay has. He says he’s not asking for handouts but he clearly complains that he wasn’t being given any handouts lol, i mean, its ridiculous to listen to this guy speak. You ruined you’re life, you’re career, i suggest stay in philly because thats the only place where you will have any respect. You should be happy that your philly rap fans arent like philly sports fans or else you’re failing ass would not be around to bitch about jay-z.
I really feel Beans on this i personally wit through a similar issue with Jameer Nelson of Orlando Magic. I carried this dude all through high school and college and now because i come from a street pedigree he wont even answer my calls. i was the god father to his first born son and him to mine and now he got his bread and wont even reach out. We come from Chester Pa. one of the hardest cities to grow up in America where not too many dudes make it out. Not only has he fronted on me but he’s fronted on his whole city. He used to be such a beautiful person but that money really f#cked him up. If i could rap i would say some of the same things. Its not about money its about friendship and loyaly but if you shining you should naturally want your folks to shine with you.
This whole situtation hurts to me to witness. And what I hate more is seeing grown azz men acting like the next man is supposed to hand the something. It’s b*tchmade to me. I never like to see friends go at it but at the same time, I’ve been a Roc-Fam fan since the beginning. I’ve heard all of their music and from the outside looking in, this is b*tchassness at best. While I do agree, for the sake of the friendship, Jay and Beans need to sit down and do the man thing, I disagree with how Beans is handling it in the first place. I’m a female raised by a man and the one thing my father always told me is that nobody is responsible for your success but you. If you want to be a bum for the rest of your life, the bum sitting next to you isn’t responsible for that. I remember when the Roc had primed Beans to be the next hot figure but it was up to him to take the reins and ride it out. He had everything he needed. He had the rhymes, the beats/beatmakers, the promotions. There is no way he should have ended up in his current situation. I understand he came from the gutter but so did a bunch of mofos. He chose to stay hood and got caught up. WTF is someone supposed to do with that. That’s his fault. Nobody else’s. Not Jay’s, not Dame’s, not Bleek’s. At least Bleek understood that. My thing is, he just needs to man the f*ck up, get on his grind again, and make us remember why ever thought he was hot. The same energy he put in to this diss record, he could have came with fire on something else. They gave him the game, but he folded before he saw the flop.(Poker talk) It’s all on him in my opinion. But I do think he and Jay need to have a man-to-man conversation.
Yes its true everyman should stand on his own but If you could help somebody Y not see this is what is wrong we never stick togeather jayz is selfish yes it s his money but somebody helped him along the way selfishness, greed,self promotion and turning on your brother is wrong and if it wasnt for the people buying music none in the industry would have money
The old “___________ is the Army” label foundation is flawed in much the same manner as a parent attempting to be “friends” with their child; at some point, the parent is going to try to disciplne the child, and the child isn’t going to have it. The large labels encouraged the “crew” movement because people are attracted to power– we root for a group of guys (with the always present “murda mami”) “forming like voltron” to take over the industry. This is why the Roc, Dipset,Ruff Ryders, G-Unit, Dungeon Family, Cash Money, Death Row, Bad Boy, etc used this template for success; We WANTED them to win–we felt as though we were a part of the “movement,”the success was shared with us all. The problem in (nearly all) these situations is that the label head is a successful artist themselves, and eventually the other artists don’t want to either A) stay under the shadow of the successful artists or B) continue to share the profit/spotlight with the other artists. Beanie Sigel, much like the Lox before him (First nigga talking that family shit/get a lotta dough don’t give the family shit~ Jadakiss), fell into the mentality that they really “were” a family (due to the culture that was fostered) and that label chain became his home. He forgot about being an artist; he was a “brother” to Shawn. That was why it was so hard to hear Shawn “refuse” to let him out of his contract, or not put him on BP3, or refuse to sign his release papers; he thought Shawn was really the person he had come to know, when in actuality Shawn was simply a Nino Brown– someone promoting friendship until you are no longer useful to his overall plans. This is why it hurts to hear Beans talk about this; sticking with the New Jack Metaphor, Beans represents G Money– A disgruntled fuck-up who really thought this ONE person would be “his brother’s keeper,” regardless of the actions which led up to the final falling out. The Song/conversation and response that Shawn just relayed pretty much juxtaposes the final confrontation between Nino and G-Money, with Shawn’s response being the final shot to the head– he didn’t quite believe what he was saying himself, but he knew he had to create some finality to the situation.
JihaD
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being the daughter of a hustler I was taught how to get my own and never depend on ANY body but myself. I don’t care who say that got me,Plan B and C are already in motion just in case.
Jesus ate with the disciples but was still betrayed with a kiss by Judas.
Sometimes the cross over is a double cross,but if Beans had not been so busy letting his life imitate the Art then he would not be on the other side of that fence, guess his “Spidey Senses” weren’t tinglin?!?
A favor aint never been fair and being a man with as many prison stints as he has,he should’ve known that!
I’m not saying Jay is right I do feel he has been on some other shyt every since the jay and b shyt started but this quote says it best…”This shyt is chess it aint checkers”-Nino Brown
Beans Protect your queen homie …
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