Wale vs. Skip Bayless On Jay-Z

For nearly two hours, Wale discussed sports with Skip Bayless on ESPN’s 1st and 10. In the final segment, he and Skip debate whether Jay-Z’s the greatest rapper of all time. Skip argued that Hov lacked stage presence and a good voice. Hov has admitted to the latter in previous interviews. Let the great debates begin.

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  • AshesToAshes

    Fuck out of here.

    2Pac,Nas,Biggie>>Jay

  • AshesToAshes

    50 Cent > jay

  • ANT619HONY

    get that mainstream rap bullshit outta here

  • Vega

    Jay-z is one of the greatest rappers of all time..But biggie will always be number 1…..2pac is in a different category he could talk about anything but make it the realest shit you ever heard! But honestly Pac on a top 5 would be 3 or 4…..Nas i dont know man lol Nas is all fucked up now i dont know what happen too him lol

  • MrWah

    Fuck out of here.

    2Pac,Nas,Biggie>>Jay

    ^^^^

    Thank You!!! Jalen Rose Hip Hop knowledge >>> Wale

    I want to know how in the world does having 11 #1 albums make you the best?? B/c thats the same reasoning people always have for giving Jay that GOAT title. He isn’t a great live performer, I’ve seen him 3 times, and I’ve seen Beans outshine him, Mary J. Blige outshine him and even 50 outshine him on stage. This 11 #1 albums Bullshit is strickly accolades, that says nothing about skills! The majority of people who bought BP3, are the not the same people who bought Reasonable Doubt in 1996! The majority of his current fanbase has absolutely no knowledge of our culture and the legends in the game. They don’t know about Masta Ace, Public Enemy, Jeru The Damaja, Mic Geronimo…. They can’t recite lyrics word for word on It Was Written or Da Shinin…. Jay Z is the most successful business man/rapper we’ve ever seen, hands down… but the best rapper… Hell Nah… niggas need a reality check… stop smoking that water

  • I.S.A.A.C.

    Jalen Rose (minus the wayne inclusion) won this debate HANDS DOWN.

  • e_money

    *high fives jalen for mentioning andre 3000* but bayless is a idiot jay is the greatest

  • http://reverbnation.com/ajb4 AJB4

    Jalen knew more about hip hop than Wale i might delete Attention Deficit off of my Zune just for that

  • 3Stacks

    No one person can be the best rapper ever becoz rap is art and so appreciation is open to opinion .

  • mmkayy

    wow gotta say Skip dude is on point..

  • Will

    whats funny is Jalen Rose is more credible than Wales Opinion Jalen Use to be and still might be a hiphop DJ

    me personally I think Pac is the best I know its cliche and everytime I say Jay is the best or Em is the best I go bacc and put on an Old pac record and mark my words if you would do this too you would be like WTF is Jay-Z and Eminem off of one of Pac’s record

    Like this is true story I was went to see that wacc ass biggie Movie and the highlight off the movie is when Hit Em Up got played Everybody in the theatre was rapping that shit word for word even after the song had past to the part where biggie bust in that interview on Faith niggas was still rapping Pac has the strongest influence on the Game and nobody nobody but Wu Tang Clan has made a Bigger Impact On this Game even the westcoast Movement is nothin compared to Pac Ill give Wu tang Clan the same amount of Impact becuz them niggas came in so Raw when they came Im 20 I was 4 years old when Protect Ya Necc Dropped and that shit changed my whole perspective of the MC Hammer is the best rapper

    Pac is the Best Rapper of All time

    and Wu Tang Clan is the best Hiphop Group ever

  • Vega

    @MrWah thats true i argee with you….Honestly i tell people if Biggie was alive jay-z will not be where he is at…Business wise yes he will have all that money hip hop wise no he will not be hot he will be number 2…But you got to also know that all the shit that jay-z was talking back in 96 people are just saying it now and they are trying to be hot! I was one of the ones who bought reasonable doubt back in 96 and i still get jay-z albums till this day…The thing i hate now is like you said people dont know the legends in the game and people just give titles to wack ass rappers..Like i heard some corn ball dude the all day saying the young money album is better then Wu tang 1st album SMH! Shit like that ruins hip hop! They forget the legends the ones who open the doors for these new cats now….

  • SilkCityP

    Hip Hop and its debates are completely lost!!! Did people forget that being a rapper is about RAPPING! Not 11 #1 albums, not being worth a shitload of paper. Jay is great, there is no question about that, but as far as being the greatest… He is not even top 5! I’m talking about Lyricism, Concepts, Story-Telling, Connecting with your listener, Staying True to yourself, etc…

    BIG > Jay
    Nas > Jay
    Eminem > Jay
    Scarface > Jay
    Big Daddy Kane > Jay

    And thats only about rapping!!! Not success, not downfalls in your life, money, mainstream appeal, only being an MC!

  • Slow Ur Roll, Know Ur Roll

    Fuck out of here.

    2Pac,Nas,Biggie>>Jay

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Jay has way more then just 11 #1 albums.
    He Has mutitiple Classic albums
    Countless hits
    Hood Bangers
    $$$$$$$$
    Most Sucessful Run of ANY Rappper EVER!
    If the Rap Game is 30yrs old Jay has been around it 4 20 yrs
    people have been arguing about is he the best MC since 97′ thats 13 yrs
    He Still Pushes Platinum Everytime out in a shityy music industry
    He had sum1 you know drink , Armadale,Beleve , Chris, Rock,Throwback jerseys, Buttons Ups, platinum, Rocawear
    Baddest b in the game
    Never switched his story
    Probably from the borough of the Best Rappers ever to come out
    Sold Out Concerts
    Endless Collaborations
    Various Biz Deals
    And is older then Brett Farve n rap is a young mans gmae but he seems to always win
    Tons of Awards, grammy, bet, mtv, ama, ascap, bmi
    Responsible for the Careers of Everybody that came out of Rocafella and Dipset Movement
    With Only 1 # 1 Record Ever and that was in ’09
    let’s not 4get performing @ World Series, Super Bowl, and i bet he’s goin wit the trifecta and perform @ NBA finals.
    How Can Ya Not Give Ths Man His Due
    And He Said He was Goin do this all
    He Will not Lose n has no Regrets

    Name 1 Other Person that did half of this n i’ll say HOv aint the best!

  • http://Kanyelive.com Comedyjunkie06

    Jay is not the greatest ever. Em prob holds Ray title but I know for certain it ain’t jay

  • mmkayy

    @silkCityP truest shit someone ever commented on RR

  • drast

    Biggie, Common, Eminem > Jay-Z

    but Jay-Z isn’t far from them!

  • slimshady37

    50 cent > jay? ahahahaha get the fuck outta her homie
    its always been em>jay.

    in terms of stage presence jay is pretty wack ill admit that, no body comes close to kanye, who is legitimately in the top 10 all time because of his creativity and all the shit he does himself (i.e production).

    jay used to be dope but bp3, his lyricism went down a few notches, a damn shame.

  • http://www.suckyourmum.com Mr.Londoner

    Why are they talking bout HOV on a sports show?

    america is weird.

  • Vega

    Life after death is better then half of jay-z classics if you no you have a problem!

  • Slow Ur Roll, Know Ur Roll

    Music Alone: What other Rapper can you go 2 a party and juis his music 4 the WHOLE PARTY?
    Is it even possible to make a single disk Best of HOV your gonna need like 5 cds
    2Pac, Biggie, NAS> Pre 97 Jay-Z
    Jay-Z> NE Rapper You Name Since

  • http://reverbnation.com/ajb4 AJB4

    I think 50 has more of an impact on Hip Hop than Jay

  • Shady

    Jeeeez Wale jus suck his dick y dont ya……. if all u have to argue with is album sales……. and you say Jay is an inspiration for stage performence…..remind me not to check out ur show homie. I wonder how many #1’s Eminem, Dre or Biggie would have had if there were shellin them out like Jay.

  • Mokh

    Eminem>every other rapper (that’s the stan side of me talkin)
    i say that till now we can’t tell who is the best… let’s wait till the music stops!!! then we’ll be able to judge them!

  • http://reverbnation.com/ajb4 AJB4

    but DEF Em>>Jay “Renegade” is a perfect example of this

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  • jamdawham

    I gotta disagree on jay’s voice. His voice is one of his greatest attributes.

  • B.Dot

    ^
    but even Jay says his voice isn’t great.

  • Taylor Swift

    Yo Jay-Z is nice, and one of the best to ever do it…but…If 2pac were alive Jay would be dead cuz Pac hated him. If Biggie were alive, Jay WOULDN’t be making Songs about NYC and bein King cuz Biggie would have shit on him. 11 #1 albums = 4 #1 singles out of all of them, thats a joke. And only 1 as a solo artist the other times w/ Mariah, Beyonce and Rihanna. And as far as the 11 #1’s is concerned, if he went up against Eminem all of those time, he’d be #2…

  • Slow Ur Roll, Know Ur Roll

    @ B.Dot
    Ok his voice sux and he has a terrible stage show.
    So why does he sell out every tour? and MSG in seconds?
    What makes him not better then all these other rappers is the real ?
    Why did Live nation give him 150 mil with no Album and no artists?
    N anythings he accomplishes is based off his Music

  • Slow Ur Roll, Know Ur Roll

    @ EVERYONE STOP THE BUT……. SHIT
    IF Jordan wasnt around Ewing, Barkley, Reggie,Stock and Malone would have titles
    and if Len Bias wouldnt have dropped Dead he would locked down MJ

    GTFOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mike

    nas’ best emcee
    jayz is best rapper
    (both) alive !!! right now !! til the casket drops ;) or just the career stops !

  • 106

    Yall dudes are delusional saying em over jay. Please Em has 5 albums jay has 11 jay has 4 classic albums thats why he the best. End of discussion. Don’t talk stage presence Jay does a 2 hour set that he can’t even fit all his hits in. Only Pac got that many songs in the catalog. You ever been to a Jay concert i seen Russian dudes who didnt even speak english receiting every lyric. Consitency that nobody has been able to match in the history os Hip Hop.

  • B.Dot

    @ B.Dot
    Ok his voice sux and he has a terrible stage show.
    So why does he sell out every tour? and MSG in seconds?
    What makes him not better then all these other rappers is the real ?
    Why did Live nation give him 150 mil with no Album and no artists?
    N anythings he accomplishes is based off his Music

    ^
    i think most people go to a Jay show for the live performance of MUSIC as opposed to him. I mean the guy has a crazy catalogue.

    After his 9/11 concert i think jay cemeneted his place as the greatest. Pac and Big are dead. they’re not coming back. Jay has surpassed his peers in terms of creating impactful music that shapes the culture. Jay’s the same age (if not a year younger/older) than Rakim and that guy couldnt make a good record if he tried.

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  • AshesToAshes

    @B.Doct

    2Pac is dead but his music is here, the type of music that even if jay released 20 more album couldn’t outdo it.

  • Vega

    @ B.dot thats true cause that new rakim album was TRASH!!! and as far as cemeneted him as the greatest i think he did that when the black album came out! as far as ICON STAUTS yea he did it at 9/11……

  • @Hiphop81

    Hov is by far the Greatest Performer of all time…..studio, stage, whatever. I’ve been to many Hov shows…Hard Knock Life Tour, Billboard Awards, BP3, etc…No one does it better. Just look….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti8NKKEgsBc Hit the 7:21 mark…”10 #1 Albums in a row who better than me?”…..he points me out with the white shirt and Red Yankee…

  • Trey

    Skip Bayless is a fukkin idiot claimin he knows Hip Hop..

    Lil Wayne and Eminem as greatest of all time… Wigga please!

    Eminem is Top 10-15 material… Lil Wayne is trash…

  • Da Business

    I agree w/ a lot of u guys, but we’ve got to remember that like sports it’s all about them rings. Ex. Manning is the better QB vs. Brady, but bcuz Brady has more rings and wins when it matters he’d be considered the better QB.

    That’s the case w/ Jay, he has the STATS. I personally feel that 3stacks will rhyme circles around Jay, but the STATS r undeniable. @ the end of the day when it’s all said and done, that’s what will be remembered 100 yrs down the line…STATS!

    Really @ this point it’s useless to have this debate. Jay is the goat, tho he’s not mine Jay is the MJ(both of them) of the rap game.

    It sux but that’s the way it is. Look @ Berry Sanders and Emmitt Smith, Sanders was the better back…but AGAIN Smith has the rings and the….STATS!

  • Vega

    @ashestoashes 2pac is one of the legends but as far as album wise everybody starter jumping on tupac shit when All eyez on me once that came out everybody went back to see what he was talking about with 2Pacalypse Now Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. Me Against the World and honestly these albums are good not the greatest it was GOOD….but when jay-z came out he had already classics song with RD and its still played till this day!! it took a min before people could say yea i could fuck with 2pac

  • Da Business

    And Em is Larry Bird.

  • 3Stacks

    1.Nas is a great MC but he doesn’t always know how to pick beats thus not many classic albums

    2. EM has an extensive vocab,flow and knows how to spit but most of his subject matter is weird can’t relate to

    3.Jay-z has witty lyrics,decent flow and usually a good ear for beats but subject matter is minimum and self-exalting

  • TheRealest

    All three of them had no Idea what they where talking about, Wale was talking about sales, Vanilla Ice sold MILLIONS of records, does that mean he should be considered top 10 of all time? The Jonas Brothers sell millions of records are they better then the Beatles? Skip said he thinks Eminem and Lil wayne are the GOAT? I almost felt ashamed for him after he said that, pop culture and commercialisim has brain washed alot of people. Atleast jalen mentioned pac. I think since its been 14 years people forgot how great Pac truely was, not just as a rapper, but as a visionary and a leader. While I give jay his props and think he is deff. talanted in no way should he be considered the greatest of all time. The new generation is just brainwashed, as a high school kid who the GOAT is and they’ll say lil wayne or jay-z which is crazy, Im only 21 but you cant forget PAC, in my eyes he will always be the GOAT.

  • Gabriel

    Why isn’t anyone on here on Skip Bayless for saying Lil Wayne is the GOAT? And he even said awhile back that Rebirth was “breaking new ground”

  • B.Dot

    @B.Doct

    2Pac is dead but his music is here, the type of music that even if jay released 20 more album couldn’t outdo it.

    ^
    i love Tupac as much as the next guy. While he has a bulk of classics, the posthumous releases are far from. I would have to check, but I think Jay’s catalogue has surpassed Pac’s.

  • RRL

    Yall got any other parts of the show?

    Any sports talk?

    I missed it….

  • B.Dot

    too much to rip. we get straight to the good stuff

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    It was said earlier, but how can Jay-Z be considered the greatest when out of 11 albums only 4 are considered great/classics? That’s less than a 50% average!!!!!

    Personally, I think Jay has meant the most to the culture post-Pac/BIG, but that doesn’t make someone the greatest. In hip-hop, much like sports, the topic of “the greatest” is too subjective, thus not even worth wasting energy debating.

    For all of this talk of Jay-Z , it could be argued that Kanye West has had a greater impact on hip-hop in 6 years that Jay-Z has had in 14. Although Jay brought Kanye to light, Kanye has been carrying Jay-Z since 2001! Almost 10 years!!!

    “Ain’t no best…” – Nasir Jones, Ether

  • 3Stacks

    2Pac ‘s music had a great message far touching than any other rapper.Pac’s personality was bigger than the music

    As an MC Tupac is overrated Biggie could rap circles round him with ease like many others before and present.The notion that 2Pac was the be all and end all of greatness is far-fetched.The man is a legend no doubt but more so for his personality than his skills on the mic.

  • Frontrunner

    I agree with what you have been saying BDot, including the 2Pac catalogue comment…with this last album i think he caught Pac..and live show is soso but those hits…and Rakim kinda has been dropping after being number 1 alltime for years because while he can still make a nice verse and songwriting has really dropped off…Skip sounded suprisingly well-versed cept Weezy and Em arent top five to me..Em top ten..Wayne top 20…but they still can climb..

  • So Icy Boi!

    haha Skip went in on that nigga he OVERRATED

  • http://twitter.com/thomasrz Ziggy

    Why is anyone surprised in Wale’s opinions? Who does he work for? haha his opinions are practically under contract.

    That being said, you can’t say Jay-Z is a better rapper than Biggie because he outlived him…kinda seems like unfair criteria.

    If you are talking about best RAPPER, then Biggie, Em, Big L, and maybe even Andre 3000 could out-rap Jay. But honestly, it doesn’t really matter; they are all great…should enjoy them each in their own right.

  • yardie_ute

    All am saying is that really got to be really a hater to be siding with a 70 year old white guy casting judgement on who is hot from who is not in hip hop. And the dude said Lil Wayne????? of all persons Lil Wayne and you guys siding with him. Obviously he would say Eminem… that’s a given like he’d say Elvis and not Lil Richard. I’m just saying man.

  • SkidaRoc

    I think dudes that are around Jay feel obligated to give him his props. I don’t how people can feel like he’s the GOAT though, where he no longer raps like he cares. I gotta agree 50 though, the big homey hasn’t competed since Nas ethered him.

  • yardie_ute

    For popular hip hop artistes, winning battles is usually an impetus to go on to having very successful careers ie LL Cool J. Who went on to have an extremely successful career after the Nas Jay-z battle?

  • sixo

    wale is wack. you gotta be a corn to feel wales music and movement. jalen rose looks like he wanted to punch that midget out, jalen knows more about hip hop than wale. wale dropped with a jay-z co-sign and lady gaga on his first single and he still flopped. he talking like tebows a bust, when wale already a PROVEN BUST. career over.

  • illaDeuce

    this is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. Music is a reflection of the artist. Jay is so past everybody that he cant rap like he’s HUNGRY in his voice, the fucks he have to be hungry for? He is motivated, motivated to be an icon, motivated to be Michael jackson of hip hop, but hes not “hungry” like hes on the bottom starving for money. He is still mad lyrical you dont need to use words with 5 or more syllables to be lyrical, its about the statements made. Everyone’s seen his shows with a live band, I’ve had the honour of attending a show and I was all the way up top but I felt like Wale said, like Jay was talking to me. Jay has never had a whack album unlike everybody else mentioned. DONT EVEN SAY 50, 50 IS NOTHING COMPARED TO JAY MUSICALLY YOU DUMB FUCKS.. 50 IS THE SAME AS DIDDY. AS SOON AS THE VIDEO STARTED I KNEW HED SAY EMINEM.. EVERY WHITE GUY THAT DOESNT KNOW SHIT ABOUT HIP HOP SAYS EMINEM. Eminem is top 5 no fucking doubt but i hate that ppl that dont know hip hop say the same ppl all the time, tupac,snoop,eminem,lilwayne. JAY IS G.O.A.T. don’t hate on mac diesels opinion cus at the end of the day your favorite rapper respects jay like no other.

  • So Icy Boi!

    @3Stacks So you wanna hear a nigga rap about jewelry, fancy cars, money, buyin house’s, living rich (things you aint got)….then to hear a nigga talk about real shit thats goin on in the ghetto, the government, songs to help the community and not hurt it? …..To all the niggaz saying Jay-Z got 11 number #1 albums he the best ….. All his 14/15 albums he still havent sold more then Eminem 4/5 albums so what that tell you?? … then Eminem is better if Eminem and Jay-Z come out wit a album on the same day who gonna sell more? and dont say Eminem gonna sell more because he white if you the best you gotta do the best numbers …. And if rap is all about numbers, money, who sell the most then 50 Cent and Diddy should be in the top five rappers all time ….Jay-Z 11 number 1 albums but only 1 number 1 song?? and that was because Alicia Keys made dat song hot

  • AshesToAshes

    @B.Doct

    u wanna talk longetivity ? Ll Cool J 25 years since 85 been putting out Plat, 2x Plat, Gold albums.
    and he is the blurprint to those rappers who make girly songs to sell records.

    B@ Doct

    U wanna talk catalog ? ur boy 50 cent soon>>>>>jay-z

  • yardie_ute

    @ sixo

    Wale was just on TV talking, he also making money, touring, probably driving a decent car, probably looking at real estate. What the fuck have you been up to?
    I’m just saying man is full time we as black people quit hating on another black man so much. How about yow Wale, you coulda done better with them singles selection. Nobody can say Wale is a wack rapper. The mere fact his album didn’t sell millions must be attributed to something else.

  • sixo

    b.dot doesnt know anything about hip hop. corny ass journalist who thinks he holds the flag for the culture when he really just walks and spits on it. rakim is still nicer than jay-z today right now. so is kool g rap. jay z is a great talent but a greater business man. rakims last album lyrically shits on blueprint 3, anyone who disagrees is a toy.

  • 7v5a7

    @ B Dot– Lets see…NAS won a straight up one on one battle with Jay-Z (Nas didnt even start it with Jay), Jay-Z admitted on the song “Blueprint 2″ that he lost. Jay-Z said in the VH1 Ultimate Albums Show for Resonable Doubt that his voice sucks and Nas had a better voice. Last still bit Nas rhymes (of course Biggie too) while him and Nas was beefing. Jay is in my top 3, but please wake up and give credit when credit is due. #1 Nasir Jones G.O.A.T.

  • B.Dot

    u wanna talk longetivity ? Ll Cool J 25 years since 85 been putting out Plat, 2x Plat, Gold albums.
    and he is the blurprint to those rappers who make girly songs to sell records.

    U wanna talk catalog ? ur boy 50 cent soon>>>>>jay-z
    ^^^
    LL hasn’t made a decent album or impactful record since “luv u better”…and that was in 2002. 50’s got a strong catalogue, probably as good as jay’s. But overall, i think Jay’s a better lyricist.

    @7v5a7
    ^
    i fucks with nas hard. But he’s slowly tarnishing his catalogue. the last 3 albums have been real downers.

  • 3Stacks

    B.Dot is Obama’s favorite hip hop blogger.

  • 3Stacks

    @ So icy boi

    Just becoz Tupac rapped about “real” shit doesn’t necessarily mean we gottta exaggerate his mic skills.The two ain’t always related though i appreciate real message i’m also a fan of pure lyrical skill

  • Interscope Employee

    THESE NIGGAS SAID “LIL WAYNE” LMAOOOO FUCK OUTTA HERE

    TUPAC IS THE GOAT!!!!!
    BEST ALIVE ARE ; EMINEM AND JAY (TIE) AND THEN NAS

  • SLOW YOUR ROLL, KNOW YOUR ROLE

    @ B. Dot when these niggas gonna learn that he aint 50. N been shot a bunch of times, or jump n dress crazy on stage like busta rhymes, or make up shit like Nas lines, or like em n sniff coke lines, but Jigga talk the truth wen u bust down Jay-z lines. All ya’ll niggas is fish. N don’t say common cuz that aint common sense. N Jay don’t shake it like a poloroid or rock a perm.

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  • D

    I went 2 see Jay Z in Scotland and he couldn’t get the crowd to 2step, he asked and know 1 moved..

    That dude is right he is mad overrated, he doesn’t say anything except how fly he his

  • AshesToAshes

    @B.Dot

    LL hasn’t made a decent album or impactful record since “luv u better”

    ^^^Well jay-z last great album was “blakc album” and that was in 03, his last 3 ain’t shit, BP3 was a good compilation album.

    …and that was in 2002. 50’s got a strong catalogue, probably as good as jay’s. But overall, i think Jay’s a better lyricist.

    ^^ Give 50 3 more albums(Solo), n you n I both can agree 50>>>>jay. Lyrically ? those kids might not know but Fif on POTD & Guess Who’s back WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

  • crossover1985

    same argument diff day. Jay is the best in my eyes.

  • 106

    Dont bring 50 in this conversation. His catalog isnt even close. Jay got more Classic albums then 50 has albums. You telling me Candy Shop is hot or Amusement Park? Please Jay was hot when 50 started and he gonna be hot when 50 is finished which might have already happened in my eyes. Only Nas to me can be compared outta dudes still alive he got 9 albums under the belt and Em coming close behind. 50 was running off momentum and it has run out he got nothing to rap about oh i forgot Baby by me and Do you think about me. These are all wack bitch songs 50 puts out to try and stay at the top. He aint never been in anybody top 5.

  • MP

    Wale is bringing up points that’s irrelevant to the argument about on-stage performance, once you do that, you already lost.

  • lostme

    Greatest lyricist, writer in hip hop of all time? Uh no. Is he dope? Yes. But cmon man it’s all about personal taste that’s what music is all about it’s about how you connect to an artist

  • lostme

    @MP

    U’re right about that plus I don’t see what hanging out with Obama and Oprah has to do with music see that’s the problem a lot of times with Jigga cats use his endeavors OUTSIDE of the music to justify him being “the best” (IE Rocawear, Roc Nation, 40/40 club, Beyonce ect…)

  • lostme

    @MP

    U’re right about that plus I don’t see what hanging out with Obama and Oprah has to do with music see that’s the problem a lot of times with Jigga cats use his endeavors OUTSIDE of the music to justify him being “the best” (IE Rocawear, Roc Nation, 40/40 club, Beyonce ect…)

  • AshesToAshes

    @106

    fuckboy why are u naming only songs for ladies by 50 ?, I can name 100 songs for ladies from jay. LOL , stupid madafucka.

    50 >>>>>Jay , jay- has 11 solo albums, 50 has 4 solo album. 3 more albums from
    50, than I can proudly say 50 >>>>>>> Jay, and I’ll never put any rapper above 2Pac, cause
    ain’t nobody ever or will make such strong songs like 2Pac Did.

  • http://facebook.com/michael.pittman Mike

    Skip is right…

  • mkjhgf

    “The notion that 2Pac was the be all and end all of greatness is far-fetched.The man is a legend no doubt but more so for his personality than his skills on the mic.”- 3 stacks

    thank you bro…well said….Ive been saying this for years

  • yaboitone

    @ZIGGY,
    First off, kudos for putting ziggy’s dick in your mouth so quick and using his name.

    Second. There is NOTHING “unfair” about saying jay is better than B.I.G. because the nigga died. Tragic. Of course. But if you’re dead, you’re dead. Period, point, blank.

    What is “unfair” as you so eloquently put it, is trying to compare what someone MIGHT HAVE done, to what someone ACTUALLY did.

    Earl the Manigoat is better than Michael Jordan because he, MIGHT have done more if it wasn’t for everything that happened to him. LMFAO. You see how stupid that sounds?

  • yaboitone

    *Earl “the goat” manigoat

  • yaboitone

    ALSO to the idiots arguing that eminem is better because his FEW albums have sold more than jayzs LOT of albums its simple:

    Eminem COULD NOT produce THE QUANTITY OF MUSIC AS JAY-Z AND MAINTAIN QUALITY THE WAY JAY-Z HAS!! PERIOD POINT BLANK! HE DOESN’T DO IT, BECAUSE HE CAN’T. SO JAY-Z IS BETTER IN THAT ASPECT BECAUSE HE HAS MORE STAMINA AND LONGEVITY.

    ALSO: EMINEM SOLD MOST OF HIS MUSIC BECAUSE HE WAS THE FIRST GREAT WHITE RAPPER YOU FUCKING MORONS.!!! WHO BUYS ALBUMS????….WHIIIIIIIITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    THEY WENT ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NUTS WHEN EMINEM ARRIVED SO HE WOULD HAVE SOLD THE SAME AMOUNT OF ALBUMS IF HE HAD A THIRD OF THE TALENT HE DOES. TALENT DOESN’T SELL HIS ALBUMS TO THAT LEVEL. THE FACT THAT HE IS WHITE (AND THE FIRST TO DO IT BECAUSE OF COURSE VANILLA ICE DOESN’T COUNT LOL) IS HIS CASH COW. WHITE WOMEN LOVE THE WHITE CRAZY RAPPER TROUBLED IMAGE CUZ THEY WANT TO F**K HIM.
    AND WHITE GUYS LOVE THE WHITE CRAZY RAPPER TROUBLED IMAGE COOL WITH THE COOLEST BLACK PEOPLE IMAGE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE HIM. SO NO COMPARISON.
    HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE WORLD ON THE SAME LEVEL EMOTIONALLY, INSPIRATIONALLY, OR MOTIVATIONALLY (WORD I MADE UP LOL) LIKE JAY-Z.
    THE G.O.A.T.

    HONESTLY. I DONT EVEN RESPECT THE HIPHOP OPINION OF PEOPLE WHO ARGUE THAT JAY ISNT THE GREATEST RAPPER ALIVE WHEN ITS SO F****N OBVIOUS.

  • http://myspace.com/730amazin amazinace

    BIGGIE, NAS, KRS, SCARFACE, ICE CUBE, LL COOL J, BIG DADDY KANE……………..JAY-Z IS GOOD, BUT ITS ALL FANTASY, LIKE REALLY IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU ARE CELEBRATING HIS SUCCESS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY. HIS BEATS ARE AWSOME HANDS DOWN, SO WHEN YOU IN A PARTY WE ALL JAM TO IT (EVEN JIM JONES), THE MUSIC HE MAKES, MAKE US FEEL GREAT, THAT DONT MAKE YOU THE GREATEST RAPPER. JAY-Z DOSEN’T CHANGE HIS CONTENT AND SUBJECT MATTER IN HIS LYRICS AND WHEN HE DOES HE SPITTIN BIGGIE’S RHYMES. HIS LIFESTYLE IS ENTERTAINING CAUSE WE ALL STRIVE TO BE SUCESSFUL SO WE DREAM WITH HIS MUSIC. THAT DOESN’T MAKE HIM THE GREATEST EVER, IT JUST MAKES HIM GREAT.

  • Money Mitch

    Damn yaboitone I bet ur keyboard is fucking sore

  • Truth

    Snoop Dogg is the Greatest Rapper of All Time: Almost 20years in the game, over 50 million records sold: Singularly the most relevant cultural icon hip hop has ever produced! Lyrically crushes ur fav MC if he wants to……….4k Jay Z Knowles!

  • Ac@pella!

    Fuck tha obvious debate we ALWAYS have. Anybody notice how that nigga Skip gave Wale dap?!?!?!? Lol! That shit was official! I think he knows a lil somethin about hip hop. :-)

  • 106

    @ AshesToAshes you jackass. I named those songs because people are comparing 50to jay because he sold records not because of skill. He got spotlight from GRODT and didnt want that light to turn off so he been making those bitch ass songs to stay relevant. I wish you would point out 100 jay songz for the ladies cause he never tried to be that. He couldn’t pull that off anyway. Yall get your facts straight 50 could make 10 more albums he will never be in the same class as Jay. I wil repeat this 50 not in anybody with sense top 5. If he in yours that will explain your dumbass comment.

  • So Icy Boi!

    @3Stacks whats the definition of lyrical skills ??? do u just gotta rhyme over a hot beat ? ….Because then Gucci Mane should be considered as a top rapper

  • So Icy Boi!

    Jay-Z lyrics boring … and of course he surpassed Big and Pac .. you know why ?? Because they DEAD dumb azzes …. they bouth only had like 6 years in the rap game … and Jay-Z got like 20 with his old ass … if Jay-Z would of died around the same time pac and biggie died wouldnt nobody remember him

  • onemann

    This debate is a popularity contest (fif, jay, nas,em)DMX can hold is own against any and all mentioned. He’s a real dude like Pac. What u call a true artist, from the soul.

  • controversy is a bitch

    @yaboitone
    HONESTLY. I DONT EVEN RESPECT THE HIPHOP OPINION OF PEOPLE WHO ARGUE THAT JAY ISNT THE GREATEST RAPPER ALIVE WHEN ITS SO F****N OBVIOUS.

    ever stopped to look at Jay-Z’s portfolio ?
    That guy dosent have ONE original concept single… Yes he’s the most consistent, had the most number one albums … ? but have you heard BP3 ? that shit had 2 maybe 3 rap records.. the rest of it was all about rnb hooks and featurings.

    and since when dose quantity matter like that … that like sayin Rick Ross sold more albums than 50 cent because he had more number one solo albums … smh

  • Nathaniel

    yall niggas dumb.

    1. who the fuck is skip? you work for espn and you’re an old white guy. this is black music and culture, you don’t get to decide OUR greats. again, OUR greats. wale played himself for arguing with that old ass white dude.

    2. i agree with yaboitone. damn near word for word (especially on the eminem breakdown), so i won’t repeat what my nigga said.

    3. i’m late as hell on this topic.

    4. just because jalen rose spouted off a list of dope emcees doesn’t mean the nigga gets the “respectable opinion” award. BUT since he mention 3 stacks i fucks with the nigga.

    5. kill that 4 element shit. hip hop evolved past that shit decades ago. i love graffiti art, and breaking too…but that shit seeped so far out in the burbs, most cats doing that shit are either on wack ass america’s best dance group, in japan, or in some wild style commercialized suburban area. and until we stop calling niggas that spin records and THATS IT DJs…until i see some DJ Jazzy Jeffs around here, kill that shit too. these hip hop purists need to get their heads out of the bronx. that shit is good for history, but in 2010, its over with. sorry.

  • Will

    its funny that niggas admit only white people buy music and they feel as we are the only ones who should control who is the best in this game

    I mean would you care about someones opinion if they were stealing from you I buy music that is hot out of respect and Im blacc

    shit if white people opinion dont matter then maybe they should stop buying Jay’s album and then we will see how you niggas see Jay Then if white people didnt support anybody but eminem true story Jay would be selling like 350 K

    Niggas with no logic @yaboitone and anybody who agrees with that argument you say white people make the sales but they have no say in this music yet you use album sales has part of your argument if this is true why isnt Paul Wall lil Wyte and Bubba Sparxx going 2x platinum why isnt Pitbull going 5x platinum he one of the only Latinos in the Game Why isnt Jin Going 20 X ww platinum he one of the only Asians In the game and its a grip of them motherfuccas around this world

    if you feel white people are the only buying music you shouldnt discredit their opinion at least they are supporting “our supposed culture” nigga if this culture belongs to us why dont try and buy soem music and supprting it Cuz

    If white people were Only Buying Ems album then Jay Wayne TI them niggas wouldnt even be releasing albums they would even be signed becuz they wouldnt be selling shit becuz Yall niggas admit from stealing and abusing our culture

  • Nathaniel

    @will
    “nigga if this culture belongs to us why dont try and buy soem music and supprting it Cuz”

    ^that’s a discusson that goes a lot deeper than what we’re talking about. at least the implications of it. but i see what you’re getting at. hell…most yall niggas run around here saying fuck jay-z like he ain’t one of our own. holding eminem down. i see it all over the net. and he’s dope as fuck, don’t get me wrong. but i choose us FIRST. thats just me…its on some unity shit, primarily, with other things i wont get into considered as well.

    @will
    1. white people are NOT the only ones buying hip hop albums. i don’t know where niggas get these erroneous statements from. black people make up less than 20% of this nation. white people are still the vast majority. naturally, they out buy us when it comes to rap music. we buy, they buy. unless somebody can show me reasonable proof that we steal music more than they do, there’s no need to throw that statement around but they steal too, just like we do.

    2. regardless of who is buying music more or less, this hip hop music and the culture define the black experience. the demographic it is written to and about is black. all day long. we relate, they fantasize from afar.

    so when we bring eminem to the discussion, he was white, rapping about what its like to be white and fucked up in america. niggas don’t give a fuck about eminem like that. straight up. not just because he’s white, but because he isn’t talking to us or about us. EVERYTHING in this country starts with the poor (and mainly black) and eventually gets swallowed up by the white masses. that’s history.

    so no, a white man can’t come in and tell US who makes the best music catered to us. no more than they can sit down and argue whether malcolm x or martin king spoke on the behalf of black people the best. yall niggas forget why we even claim this hip hop shit. it ain’t just beats and rhymes. it was born out of the black youth REJECTED and ignored by this white american dynastic government and the people who it seeks to support.

    and lastly, eminem has stated on several occasions that his whiteness and its marketability is directly related to his sales and his visibility. he knows, so disagree with him too will.

  • jmega

    One word! CORMEGA!!! Jay is a fuckn bitch ass nigga. Mega would murda that fagget on the mic. Ya I knw he hasn’t sold nearly as much albums as Jay but real niggaz knw what time it is. Jay is nothn but a commercial mc now. That street shit died for him after his first album. now he is a fuckn clown ass rapper. Listen to The Realness album. That’s hip hop, faggets!!

  • jmega

    Anyone that listens to Jay is a fuckn fagget! I can name ten guys better than him all time. Cormega,Big L, Rakim, Prodigy, Nas, raekwon, gza, inspectah deck, Krs one, biggie (who I also think is overrated but better than Jay), nature, big noyd, the beedie eyed bucks. Shot from blackmoon, Ruc, and rock from heltah skeltah, AZ, lord finess, Havoc, capone, and noreaga, 50 is wack but he better, ghostface, big daddy kane, all the niggaz in D.I.T.C. Allthese niggaz are better then that fagget Jay Z

  • jmega

    U clowns knw nothn about real hiphop.

  • Dan

    Anyone saying 50 is better than Jay or Nas needs to find their damn selves.

    Some of the names mentioned in this thread are fucking ridiculous. Capone and fucking Nore FFS?!!??!?! Who the FUCK bumping Cormega other than this nigga uptop?!

  • Dan

    Ac@pella! says:
    Saturday, March 06 2010 at 1:39 AM EST
    Fuck tha obvious debate we ALWAYS have. Anybody notice how that nigga Skip gave Wale dap?!?!?!? Lol! That shit was official! I think he knows a lil somethin about hip hop.
    ——–

    LOL! Good spot. The nigga Skip is an OG, lol.

  • http://www.twitter.com/getparadox Paradox

    LOL! He’d rather hear someone else performing with Jay Z’s lyrics!!!! WOAH!!!!

    Paradox

  • jmega

    Any one who listens to 50 and jay is a Bitch. Them niggaz are fuckn CLOWNS. Listen to “the war report” capone n noreaga. One of the best of all time. And straight up and down dun u dnt knw hip hop if u aint bumpn cormega. All these niggaz u name are trash rap, fuckn booty mc’s.

  • jmega

    Oh and KOBE a.k.a the BLACK MAMBA is still the BEST, FUCK prince james. That nigga is so overrated and such a product of the jew run nba. David stern. He is spinning his wheel to get that pussy in the finals.

  • mkjhgf

    This dude just said Lebron James is overrated? Go back to the ghetto you came from you ignorant asshole.

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  • bighomie305

    Real talk is in session……jay aint shit but a hood negroes wetdream…….check it, eminem has sold 87 million in his career, he is the best rapper alive. Six more million and he will have outsold pac….jay-z has sold barely 20 million off 11…..now what’s more important 11 albums 20 million sold or six for 86…..nobody is on the same planet as em

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